1991 tbi twin turbo setup questions

[rideorange812]

Me and my dad are planning on building a twin turbo v6. but i wonna do some mods to it before i do anything. i wonna get a 7000 rpm v6. how does this look for a start? please dont flame me.

Here is my parts I'm gonna do so far more to come so expect updates also give recommendations. Here is what my dad came up with

List:
Twin turbo Setup 20 PSI Boost
Manley platinum forged flat top pistons
Manley severe seires valves
Lunati pro mod rods
Auto Specialties performance pulley kit
Pioneer harmonic balancer
ARP high performancs rocker studs
Harland Sharp roller rockers
Edelbrock 4.3 Intake
Comp high performance retro fit cam
272 stroker kit
Hooker super comp headers
custom side exhaust in front of tires
GM performance 30 lb flywheel
160 degree thermostat
holley throttlebodies

I'm also gonna do the following mods via machine shop or more:
Blueprint and Balance
Shot Peened Rods
Knife Edge
Cross Drill
Port and Polish
3 Point Valve Job

[Hollywood#3]

I think the THROTTLE BODY SPACER is a waste of money.. I got one on my truck didnt help me ne..

[lucy_blue_93]

i think the only thing a tbi spacer is really good for is if you wanna run a shot of nos to it from the side. and why buy a kit? just start buyin stuff for it. get the manifolds off of a sy/ty, couple of good turbos, intercooler, blow-off valve, etc. etc. just get with somebody that has done a turbo setup before and get a list of everything youll need. it will take some customizing and whatnot but will be worth it.

[12sws27]

theres a guy on here that has some turbo stuff 4 sale. heres a link:
http://www.s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12341

[rideorange812]

i looked but i didnt see anything. but is there not any complete kits or anything? i see several on youtube

[12sws27]

i looked but i didnt see anything. but is there not any complete kits or anything? i see several on youtube
did u read threw the post? he adds the turbo later and there is a manifold in the first post. as far as kits go, IDK most people i see with turbo a set-up. made there own. i think theres a remote mount kit. but not sure. i believe with a tbi you have a fueling issue as well. i see alotta power made with just 1 turbo.

[rideorange812]

well i saw a twin turbo syclone 1991. i definatley wonna do a twin turbo. but i wonna find a kit. his is single isnt it? as far as the stuff i posted how does that look?

[rentedmule]

there are no kits. STS makes universal remote mount turbo kits and that's as close as you'll get for your truck.

[lucy_blue_93]

syclones were turbo from the factory. enless you cna go back to 1991 and get in good with one of the big wigs at gm you aint gonna find a kit.

[bespurcell]

X4 or whatever on there not being a kit. There is a guy on here doing a twin turbo though. Here's the link. http://s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8769&highlight=syborg+tt

[12sws27]

well i saw a twin turbo syclone 1991. i definatley wonna do a twin turbo. but i wonna find a kit. his is single isnt it? as far as the stuff i posted how does that look?
look at the exhaust set up in this thread. i know this is high dollar set up here but it should give u an idea of what involved in a twin turbo set up. so those headers u got listed wont work. you'll either have to buy the exhaust manifolds and down-pipe(?) from a cyclone or typhoon. as far as the other stuff IDK. what kinda power numbers u hoping to get? how much u willing to spend?
http://s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8769&highlight=twin+turbo

heres some more threads:

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f11/manifold-flip-343940/

read this thread. and pay speical attention to what this guy "windedv6" says. i dont think it could be put any better way.

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f11/4-3l-v6-345288/

[12sws27]

X4 or whatever on there not being a kit. There is a guy on here doing a twin turbo though. Here's the link. http://s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8769&highlight=syborg+tt
lol. i just posted the same link. man your fast Brandon. :)

[rideorange812]

Well I was gonna do a sbc 350 v8 with 450 hp. but my dad wants to do a v6 twin turbo with 700 hp. so I mean its up to him but I wonna get a look and feel for what I'm getting into since hes making me do the install haha

[12sws27]

i dont think your gonna get 700 hp with a tbi. but maybe im wrong. 700hp v6 is gonna be some big bucks.

[rideorange812]

haha i saw a 4.3 on 20 lbs of boost get 600 hp and 700+ lbs of torque. on top of that my dad worked in a machine shop doing nascar and f1 motors since he was 18 and hes 46 haha so that helps alot

[rideorange812]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-JNDNbQD7wY

[12sws27]

heres a better one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej6SPKk3w&feature=related

but since u got it all figured out why ask us?

im just saying u wont get it with a tbi. notice all these twin set-ups have custom mpi's with hugh injectors. just about anything can be done if u got the money. so when u get ur 700hp twin turbo set up. post it up. id love to see it.

[rat]

You won't have enough fuel. Even with 454 injectors you will be out of fuel at around 400 or less hp. You would need to get a 4 barrel throttle body, then you could do it. You would then need to add a driver or use a different computer altogether for the extra 2 injectors. This could be hard to tune the idle unless you can figure out a way to stage the injectors. The higher end engine controllers can do this.

Why do you have headers linked in your first post when you want to do a turbo?

And why a twin turbo? A single will be fine unless you are going to get tricky with the plumbing to get them to spool quicker.

[rideorange812]

Those are temp headers. Like I said my dad wants a twin turbo and hes the motor guy in the family and he knows what hes doing. I just trying to find a kit before we go and make one. I see what your saying on a tbi. I will look into what kind of setup we need as far as fuel supply

[rentedmule]

I just posted a link in the syclone/typhoon section of the forum with a twin turbo 4.3 for sale. they wanted $20G - that should give you an idea of how much it'll cost to reliably get 700 hp out of a 4.3. You can spend $4-5000 on custom exhaust parts alone. Like Rat said, you can get just as much if not more power out of a well designed single turbo setup. you've got alot of research to do

[BigTruckDrivah]

Sounds like you should just do what your dad says if he is what you say he his. With all that nascar experience you should try to get him to join the planet.

[bespurcell]

X2. We need your dad as a member. That would be cool if he would share some of his experience with us. That's what this forum is all about.

[boosted_4.3]

not only the nascar but the F1 experience as well.

with my build (im also doing a TT set up) the only thing close to a kit is the universal TT kit from sts. and thats nothing near a compleate kit. all it is is some bent and straight pipes, turbos, oil pumps, bov, some likes, and thats aobut it. you still need to figure out how to tune it. then you need to figure out what yoru going to do about fuel, cause that tbi aint going to cut it for any where near 700 hp. you might as well try and build or find a MPI intake manifold. then injectors, fuel pump, exc. then you also need to keep it cool. not only in yoru IAT but the engine cool as well. where are you going to mount some sort of after cooler? how big are you going to go with an after cooler? with the sts kit, you have 2 options; aluminum or ceramic coted intake and charge tubes. now, your next problem, what do you do about your internals? im nto shure, but i wouldent feel safe with a stock internal 4.3 boosting the hell out of it to make 700 hp. and unless yoru father is way above the average house hold income, it just wouldent make much sence to build this kind of engine to drive it daily due to the expences involved.

your better off with that 4.3 (305 cid) engine taht is for sale, cause what yoru getting for the money, you might as well be stealing it.

[rideorange812]

My dad is to old schoool to get on a internet forum but if anyone is the nc area he will help you out. right now he is restoring a 67 fastback mustang and building the guys motor. I also found a guy who does pro mod cars and custom choppers. His name is Deniis I can't remember his last name hes in Advance NC and hes gonna build my twin turbo setup as well as let my dad have acess to his machine shop. So hopefully in a couple months once we get the money for the parts I'll have pics and videos. He said if I do labor he can build me a complete twin turbo for 900 bucks if I help install it. So I should be in buisness soon.

[12sws27]

cool.:cool:

[rideorange812]

Well check my first post I updated it with a list of parts. More will be added I'm sure. Hopefully I can take care of my suspension and brakes this month so I can get to the motor :)

[bespurcell]

It's nice to have connections.

[boosted_4.3]

hold up, im not flaiming or calling bs. but how is yoru dad old school, working in F1 and yet he dosent do forums? it just dosent make much sence

[Jay-Sliver]

hold up, im not flaiming or calling bs. but how is yoru dad old school, working in F1 and yet he dosent do forums? it just dosent make much sence

x2. Those F1 Engines are pretty state-of-the-art..its hard to turn a V8 12-1400RPM for a couple hrs, and hold together..

[BigTruckDrivah]

x fizzzor, I was just waitin for someone else to say it.

[rideorange812]

He started in the 80s. He hasnt messed with motors like this in about 10 years but he knows what hes doing. If anyone thinks differnt why dont you challenge him to building a motor?

[12sws27]

:pop2:

[boosted_4.3]

ok smart guy. LSx, no more than 454 cid. no no2. i will bet ill put out more hp than your dad who builds nascar and F1 engines. i have arleady done this, and made it streetable. how bout an 8 sec eclipse that remains a 4 banger, and runs all boost? or a 5.4 litre TT blue oval that makes 1500 whp + that is street legal? agan, had my hands in that one as well. and the countless supra builds i have been involved in. so what up.....

if its your dads idea to build this, then why dont you dad get on here with his "wisdom" and school all of us with his years of experience in building race engines for 2 different orgs. that run in the same season, and one travels all over the world; how do you explane him being in to places at once?

[boosted_4.3]

Me and my dad are planning on building a twin turbo v6. but i wonna do some mods to it before i do anything. i wonna get a 7000 rpm v6. how does this look for a start? please dont flame me.

Here is my parts I'm gonna do so far more to come so expect updates also give recommendations. Here is what my dad came up with

List:
Twin turbo Setup 20 PSI Boost
Manley platinum forged flat top pistons
Manley severe seires valves
Lunati pro mod rods
Auto Specialties performance pulley kit
Pioneer harmonic balancer
ARP high performancs rocker studs
Harland Sharp roller rockers
Edelbrock 4.3 Intake
Comp high performance retro fit cam
272 stroker kit
Hooker super comp headers
custom side exhaust in front of tires
GM performance 30 lb flywheel
160 degree thermostat
holley throttlebodies

I'm also gonna do the following mods via machine shop or more:
Blueprint and Balance
Shot Peened Rods
Knife Edge
Cross Drill
Port and Polish
3 Point Valve Job

ok smart guy, please ask your ole man how in the hell is a stroked (what kind of crank by the way?) is going to hold to gether at 7,000? how the **** are you going to run a set of hooker headers, on a TWIN TURBO set up? and just how do you think your going to get 20 psi from a twin turbo. caus we all know taht you just add the boost from each turbo and that gives you what kind of boost your going to be making? lol effin noob

[12sws27]

:popcorn:

[SCredneck]

He is just a kid. He says in post #15 that his dad is only 46. Almost all kids will talk thru their hat as long as someone buys it. He later says his dad hasn't work on this type motor in over 10 years. So dad quit at the age when most in the big time are just getting to the top of game?? He also says dad was building NASCAR and F1 motors at 18?? Methinks this kid is talking out his hat. That video he posted...Campbell performance...wonder is that Dad, or just a youtube video he found?? Hey kid, show of something to prove that Dad really is Superman. If ya ain't got pics to prove it, it didn't happen.:p

[boosted_4.3]

i know hes talking bull ****. inless hes going remote mounted turbos, you aint going to get turbos to mount to a set of hooker headers. and he still hasent adressed any other issues like fuel, bla bla bla..... it just pisses me off that some one who obvoulsy has no clue will be as bold as to make such statements and make these kind of challenges.

[Jay-Sliver]

yea well...I got 7 turbos, hooked in Series, at 8lbs each. And thats just on my Weedwacker! So there!

[boosted_4.3]

lol, with a 5000 shot of nos, and a blower in to a supercharger...... lol

[biglouie_underpressure]

Me and my dad are planning on building a twin turbo v6. but i wonna do some mods to it before i do anything. i wonna get a 7000 rpm v6. how does this look for a start? please dont flame me.

Here is my parts I'm gonna do so far more to come so expect updates also give recommendations. Here is what my dad came up with

List:
Twin turbo Setup 20 PSI Boost
Manley platinum forged flat top pistons
Manley severe seires valves
Lunati pro mod rods
Auto Specialties performance pulley kit
Pioneer harmonic balancer
ARP high performancs rocker studs
Harland Sharp roller rockers
Edelbrock 4.3 Intake
Comp high performance retro fit cam
272 stroker kit
Hooker super comp headers
custom side exhaust in front of tires
GM performance 30 lb flywheel
160 degree thermostat
holley throttlebodies

I'm also gonna do the following mods via machine shop or more:
Blueprint and Balance
Shot Peened Rods
Knife Edge
Cross Drill
Port and Polish
3 Point Valve Job

do a blow thru carb stup..
make me an offer and i'll get you a 18* bowtie motor complete making 500hp or so on motor came out of the old bush nascar..it's also odd fire

[Jay-Sliver]

I start the bidding at $10.00 You said offer...not reasonable offer. LOL
Just messin with ya.

[boosted_4.3]

i bid $20 and a stick of used bubble gum..... lol

[89BLAZE]

yup hes talkin out his rear end i think. i sure would like to see this 700 hp tbi

[Jay-Sliver]

he must have ran the other way with his tail between his legs..

[bespurcell]

You guys need to be nice. He's only 16.

[boosted_4.3]

honistly, i could care less, a **** talker is a **** talker. its more noble to admit you dont know that to act like you and end up being called out as a lier.

[rideorange812]

Not talking trash if your being honest. I'm currently a semi pro mxer and no one has yet to even touch my motors in any aspect and my dad hasnt even went all out and isnt even experience with 1 cylinder 4 stroke motors. His name is Billy 333-940-3346 tell him you would like to challenge him to a build. I need money for my build so I would apreciate bids

[rideorange812]

ok smart guy. LSx, no more than 454 cid. no no2. i will bet ill put out more hp than your dad who builds nascar and F1 engines. i have arleady done this, and made it streetable. how bout an 8 sec eclipse that remains a 4 banger, and runs all boost? or a 5.4 litre TT blue oval that makes 1500 whp + that is street legal? agan, had my hands in that one as well. and the countless supra builds i have been involved in. so what up.....

if its your dads idea to build this, then why dont you dad get on here with his "wisdom" and school all of us with his years of experience in building race engines for 2 different orgs. that run in the same season, and one travels all over the world; how do you explane him being in to places at once?If all you build is supras maybe you should back down a notch and find a local ricer to challenge. His pontiac GTO lemans put out 890 at the rear wheels on 89 pump gas. and he wasnt even done at the crank it cranked 1150 hp. You shouldn't act like you know so much if you do go into detail on how you did the motor.

As for pics I'll get a scanner and post some pics of some of his cars and motrs hes built.

[csl2006]

cool build if your gonna do it but big bucks are gonna be involved. On a side note ricers can rot in the bottomless pit of car hell and anyone involved with them can join their rides. Waste of money and time in a ricer.

[BigRedZR2]

If all you build is supras maybe you should back down a notch and find a local ricer to challenge. His pontiac GTO lemans put out 890 at the rear wheels on 89 pump gas. and he wasnt even done at the crank it cranked 1150 hp. You shouldn't act like you know so much if you do go into detail on how you did the motor.

As for pics I'll get a scanner and post some pics of some of his cars and motrs hes built.
89 pump gas and 1150 hp....ROFLMAO yes get out your scanner and all your old issues of Hot Rod and your scissors so you can "prove" yourself:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Next thing ya know hes gonna create another screen name "Billy" and start pretending he is his dad and say he is using the living room computer...

[12sws27]

:pop2:

[rentedmule]

If all you build is supras maybe you should back down a notch and find a local ricer to challenge.

LOL!!!! 1000+ hp from a supras are a dime a dozen these days - me thinks that takes it out of the "ricer" category. This thread went south fast.

[12sws27]

LOL!!!! 1000+ hp from a supras are a dime a dozen these days - me thinks that takes it out of the "ricer" category. This thread went south fast.
What! i think its getting better. lol.

:ese: <--- this smiley is soooo racist. lol

[boosted_4.3]

LOL!!!! 1000+ hp from a supras are a dime a dozen these days - me thinks that takes it out of the "ricer" category. This thread went south fast.

this was a ****ty thread from the first post

[12sws27]

This thread went south fast.
HEY WAIT A GOSH DERN MINUTE!!! why is going south a bad thing? i live in the south. WTF!!! im offended. damn Yanks! wait... are Canadians considered Yankees? well if not... damn Canadians! just in case:p

[12sws27]

this was a ****ty thread from the first post

no way dude! this is an awesome whore thread.

[bespurcell]

LOL

[Jay-Sliver]

Hey now, dont be draggin us canadians into this...im just as hick as anyone of you southerners, I fly a 5foot K40 on the top of my Jimmy through a city with a population of 350,000 ppl. You should see the looks you get when you drive through the city caked in mud...you get staired down like you got 3 arms..

[SCredneck]

HEY WAIT A GOSH DERN MINUTE!!! why is going south a bad thing? i live in the south. WTF!!! im offended. damn Yanks! wait... are Canadians considered Yankees? well if not... damn Canadians! just in case:p


Scott, Funny you even ask that being that you live in the "Canadian Annex":D I guess most of them do go home in the summer, though, huh?

[12sws27]

yeah we do have a lot of Canadians here. you can tell there Canadian cuz theyre the only people that speak English.:D

[rentedmule]

they usually look really pale too :p

[bespurcell]

Thread whores.

[12sws27]

Thread whores.
http://www.funnyforumpics.com//forums/Thread-Hijack/1/Hijack-In_progress.jpg (http://www.funnyforumpics.com/)

[89BLAZE]

wow i cant believe this is still going

[Zygoat]

x2

[Jay-Sliver]

Bump. Just to keep it goin. lol

[12sws27]

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/this-thread-sucks/11/Thread-Direction.jpg (http://www.funnyforumpics.com/page.php?image=/forums/this-thread-sucks/11/Thread-Direction.jpg&name=Thread-Directionjpg)

[bespurcell]

Tssk tssk tssk.

[12sws27]

the post in this thread reminds me of stuff that goes on in other forums. im ashamed of my self :(

[bespurcell]

You should be.

[12sws27]

i am. although in my defence i didn't flame. i just instigated. id laugh my ass of if this kid ended up posting a 700hp twin turbo project thread. lol

[bespurcell]

If I was him I wouldn't put it on here after all that.

[BigRedZR2]

i just dont like braggers

[bespurcell]

I didn't think he was bragging. At least not until he was flamed.

[BigRedZR2]

well i just re read the thread from the beginning and let me rephrase it... I dont like arguementive braggers

[BigRedZR2]

or maybe im just a dick, its a possibilty...

[12sws27]

i just dont like braggers
me neither. i also got the feeling he was full of it. but also thought he's a kid and maybe his dad could build him something.
but i still think this thread is hilarious. i just keep thinking some posts in this thread including mine was little hypocritical concedering some threads and post ive read in here we've posted about how other threads in other forums end up.

[12sws27]

i like being an ass at times. its fun.

[BigRedZR2]

agreed, but there was multiple instigations on his part as well that at first was ignored then we stooped to the other forums level towards the end , myself included

[BigRedZR2]

Kinda like walking into a party, stealing a cup, peeeing in the corner, hitting on the hosts girlfriend and then get mad when your yelled at for it... one or two could could be a mistake but all three and your looking for a response from someone

[12sws27]

yeah, there's no doubt he showed his age.

[bespurcell]

I think he was just a kid who was excited about his dad building him a killer engine. Like most kids he also thought his dad wad the greatest. Nothing wrong with that. He also never lost his cool when flamed like most kids his age would've. Maybe I'm just a softy.

[12sws27]

your right Brandon. but i was just reading the beginning of the post. every attempt i made in helping him was meet with something that was argumentive.. id say you need to address the fueling in so many words then he'd say somethingg like here's one on youtube with 600hp or whatnot. so i just gave up. he'd ask a question then debate the answer. so i just said:


heres a better one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej6SPKk3w&feature=related

but since u got it all figured out why ask us?

im just saying u wont get it with a tbi. notice all these twin set-ups have custom mpi's with hugh injectors. just about anything can be done if u got the money. so when u get ur 700hp twin turbo set up. post it up. id love to see it.

[bespurcell]

I agree. I don't think you flamed him. I just believe some people did. I just don't want this forum to be like some of the others.

[12sws27]

I just don't want this forum to be like some of the others.
me either. and as long as we got good guys like u it wont.
but im guilty of enjoying a good flame. i check the flame forum out on another site all the time. most times its done out of fun. there 1 thread over there about F.S. forums that they end up calling the owner on his ****. its funny.

[UR50SLO]

Having been around the Sy/Ty community for quite awhile now...

There's no problem making a single or twin turbo 4.3L with enough money and parts. But it's going to take alot of both of those.
The parts list he's got there isn't even a shopping list for a stock Typhoon engine.
He and his father will need to do alot of research on boosted 4.3L before they will be putting together a solid setup.
If his dad's usto building/machine work on that class of vehicles then he'll just have to learn a new direction. Boosted engines are a totaly different situation than N/A. 4.3's are their own critter and need to be addressd as such.
Nothing wrong with learning somthing new..... Next time he needs to start the topic with "here's what We were thinking" what do you think?
That might help not get blasted off the planet :)
~Scott

[boosted_4.3]

i just tried to ask a question. and i will admit, im pig headded. so when i got the argumentive answer, i kinda gave him what he was wanting/asking for. i shouldent of gotten so personal about it. and thats my fault. and i agree with ur50slo. its kinda how i introduced my idea for a tt build. and i think thats what we all tried to do is help the guy out. and i do know i was the one who started it, and again, sorry. i shouldent of acted like that. and im not one of those guys who go looking around to flame ppl. i just felt the need to say something cause things werent adding up in my head. and if i did offent any one who is a regular on here, im extreamly sorry.