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Maximus
01-21-05, 10:02 PM
The Saturn roadster and sedan bowl over the consumer panel. Kia, Dodge and VW entries don't impress.

Dodge Charger, a full-size sedan derived from the popular Chrysler 300, resurrects the iconic Charger name from the 1960s and 1970s. "I'm a Chrysler girl," says Delores Hunter of Detroit. "But it don't give me no 'oomph.' "

Reginald Alexander, 41, checks out DaimlerChrysler's tiny smart car. The 6-foot-4-inch Detroiter was surprised to discover that he fit after many other models were too cramped.

The buzz about Saturn and its latest cars - the Aura concept sedan and Sky convertible - raced through the ranks of the 2005 Detroit News Automotive Consumer Panel before they even set foot in the Saturn display.

"The Sky is hot," said Paul Tassi, a 17-year-old University of Michigan freshman from Northville. "I've seen the pictures. I really don't like Saturns, but I like this car. I like the concept of an affordable two-seater."

Saturn was one of the last stops on this hypercritical panel's tour. And there were few smiles until they got there.

The dour panel universally panned the retro-inspired Dodge Charger.

They scoffed at the Kia KCD-II Mesa, a Korean sport utility vehicle that was designed in California to be a Ford Explorer fighter.

They laughed at the tiny, fuel-efficient fortwo from smart, a popular European brand that may be coming to the U.S. market.

"Yes, we're harsh," said Viola King, 37, a Detroit lawyer. "We're trying to get the most for our money. We're looking out for the everyday person. Our expectations are high."

The 10 panelists - a group of ordinary consumers who range in age from 17 to 56 - were bored by the Volkswagen New Beetle Ragster concept, yet another riff on what appears to be a well-worn retro theme.

A pair of much-anticipated models - Honda's Ridgeline pickup and Ford's Fusion sedan - drew very different reactions. The Ridgeline's surprise trunk and two-way tailgate (it can be opened using a conventional handle or a hidden button) won kudos, but the Fusion went virtually unnoticed.

And some panelists seemed concerned about the moral implications of the Ford SYN US, a tiny armored concept car that Peter Horbury, Ford's executive director of North American design, described as something of a new twist on the old automotive "passion pit."

All the negativity and constant griping made the panel's assessment of the new Saturns that much more powerful.

The judgment of this group, which includes a special-education teacher, a dentist and a private investigator, is that Saturn is the star of the 2005 Detroit auto show and that the much-maligned General Motors Corp. brand is poised on the brink of greatness.

"Saturn is the most improved player at the auto show," Rob Blakeley, 29, a Ferndale special-education teacher, said after studying the Aura and the Sky.

Lora Leneschmidt, 32, a South Lyon stay-at-home mom and former paralegal, sat in the backseat of the Aura, running her hands over the textured leather trim and bubbling over the improvements she was seeing up close.

"Saturn used to be utilitarian with no style," Leneschmidt said. "This is a lot more luxurious."

After crawling all over the Sky and the Aura, the panelists huddled away from Saturn executives and shouted out adjectives to describe the new vehicles.

"Refreshing" and "luxurious" were repeated again and again. When asked about their previous impressions of Saturn, the panel used words like "boring" and "ugly."

"They have changed," said Nancy Helganz, a 37-year-old private investigator from Canton. "They aren't grandma's car anymore."

The Sky goes on sale in early 2006 and will be priced under $25,000. The production Aura hits the market in fall 2006.
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blazen
01-21-05, 11:14 PM
not a bad loking car different for a saturn

LEADFOOT
01-21-05, 11:49 PM
WOW, thats a Saturn!!!!!! Nice ride. I'd sport it.

firehawkclone
01-22-05, 12:02 AM
Looks like a honda s2000 to me kinda!I hope it revs to 9000rpm

Maximus
01-22-05, 12:14 AM
It's supposed to be built on the same platform that the next camaro or rwd chevy car just a little longer though.Big step in the right direction for Saturn for sure.

Supercharged-ZQ8
01-22-05, 11:50 AM
It looks like the same platform as the Pontiac Solstice. RWD 4-cylinder roadster. I've seen one of those Solstices up-close-and-personal -- they are SWEET! I think they're supposed to be rated for 175-200 hp. Slap a supercharger on that biotch and it'll run like a raped ape.

T Man
01-22-05, 04:18 PM
it looks a whole lot like the new rx8's I like it though, a saturn with balls? what is going on here!!

Maximus
01-22-05, 04:35 PM
It looks like the same platform as the Pontiac Solstice. RWD 4-cylinder roadster. I've seen one of those Solstices up-close-and-personal -- they are SWEET! I think they're supposed to be rated for 175-200 hp. Slap a supercharger on that biotch and it'll run like a raped ape.It is the same platform as the Soltice.The soltice is supposed to never have anything larger than a 4cylinder.Lutz didn't rule out forced induction but no V6 will be placed in the Soltice.He stated this firmly after several of the car media took shots at GM for not offering a bigger engine option.Boy don't that sound familiar.The Saturn however has not been ruled out of a healthy V6 or turboed/supercharger 4 cylinder.The next chevy RWD car is supposed to be a longer wheel base off the Soltice/Sky platform or a all together different Kappa platform.Nothing is for sure and GM has been known to change their mind quite often.

xtreme lowpro
01-22-05, 07:07 PM
this platform is also gonna be used with the dodge sling shot. all of them are nice cars with the exception of the 4 cylinder. anybody feel like there needs to be either be a 3.8 or 5.7 dropped in one of these??? i see big things for these little cars.

Supercharged-ZQ8
01-22-05, 07:57 PM
this platform is also gonna be used with the dodge sling shot. all of them are nice cars with the exception of the 4 cylinder. anybody feel like there needs to be either be a 3.8 or 5.7 dropped in one of these??? i see big things for these little cars.
Depending on how much room in is those buggers, I see a lot of LS1, LS2, LS6, LT1, and LT4 conversions going on. Wouldn't that kick some major butt? That little dinky car with a 400 hp LS1/6-speed combo. . . Ah, the possibilities abound!

Maximus
01-22-05, 08:46 PM
I might regret saying this but I like the look of the sky better than I do a C6 vette.It just screams bad a** to me.Now if it can just get the balls to back up the look.

Supercharged-ZQ8
01-22-05, 10:05 PM
I might regret saying this but I like the look of the sky better than I do a C6 vette.It just screams bad a** to me.Now if it can just get the balls to back up the look.
Ya know, I'm VERY inclined to agree with you. The Vette is getting a little "long in the tooth" -- the C6 looks a lot like the C5, even though it's almost 95% a different car. The look needs to change. The Solstice and Sky HAVE the look the C6 should have gotten. Yes, the Sky DOES scream "bad ***." Looks tough -- ought to give the Euro-cars a run for their money if it can perform.

Krazny
01-25-05, 05:31 PM
Wow.
Looks like a Lotus 190 or an Opel Speedster. Very cool little car.
Hmmmm. . .
*Is plotting possible ideas for mods*

Maximus
01-25-05, 08:40 PM
Yeah it does look like the Opel Speedster which it probably is on the same platform.There will be a few more cars through GM that will be on that same platform.I wish GM would bring some of their foreign cars over here or get the designers to design their USA cars.I love GM's foreign brands like Holden,Ople,and Vauxhall to name a few.Here is some of the cars I wish were here.Look at a few of their similarities between them.

Holden CommodoreVZ-SShttp://www.sicgmtrucks.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=627&stc=1

Holden CommodoreVZ sporthttp://www.sicgmtrucks.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=633&stc=1

Holden Monaro"aka GTO"http://www.sicgmtrucks.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=628&stc=1

Holden SSX "due in 2006"http://www.sicgmtrucks.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=629&stc=1

Holden VT coupehttp://www.sicgmtrucks.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=630&stc=1

Opel Speedsterhttp://www.sicgmtrucks.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=631&stc=1

Vauxhall VX220 Turbohttp://www.sicgmtrucks.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=632&stc=1
I mean thses are some bad a** cars.Just look at what Holden puts out.They have several RWD V8 cars.I hope GM starts getting their dam RWD platform cars they have been saying will be here for awhile on the market soon.