New Mustang GT's still a step behind

[Maximus]

I just got done watching a car show on speed vision about the new MustangGT and it just got me a little steamed because they were poking fun that the Fbody is no more.And I thought I would share my recent observance I saw first hand of the new Mustang.I don't talk about all the races and so on that im either in or see because that is a every weekend thing.I always go out atleast one weekend night weather permitting to hang out with my friends and either do a little street tag "as we like to call it around here" or just hang out and BS about cars in general.Ive seen several of the new Mustangs around here lately because they must be selling like hot cakes.And ive got a good first hand view of them in action myself and watched them race others.I am gonna say that I think they are dam good looking cars and I give props to Ford for taking a chance on the retro look because the car is obviously a success on the market.But I am about sick of hearing that it's the top dog now that the Fbody is gone.Well it might be top dog because it's alone now but it is in no way top dog performance wise.This past weekend we got a slight spell of decent weather out for a bit.So all of us locals were out playing street tag.I had a chance to toy around with a new Mustang here recent and beat it but it wasn't a all out serious race.Well last weekend we were at the restraunt as usual and a 20 something little punk rich kid was bragging HUGE about his new MustangGT and how bad it was.Which is nothing new because all Mustang guys brag more than anyone else does.But this kid was making some very bold claims how he had not been beat yet and that the new Mustang was so much faster than any previous Mustang was.Me and my friends were just laughing our butts off at him talking basicly like a ricer.Well he heard a comment I made that they might be new but they still can't keep up.I guess it pissed him off and hurt his ego because he came over and ask me what they couldn't keep up with.So I politely told him that I liked the new Mustang but they still were not as quik as the last Fbody.So of course he asked me what I was driving and I pointed it out to him and he asked the obvious if I wanted to run them.I declined at first because I was actually eating at the time.And he jokingly but cocky said you say they are faster but you don't wanna prove it.Which made my friends ride me till I agreed to race him.So it was settled we all got in our cars and drove to the usualy bypass were everyone races because it's 4 lanes and traffic is very low.He had his friends and I had mie and we pulled over of in a parking lot to discuss the race terms.Yeah I know very corny sounding but that's just how it's done around here.Some wanna race from a slow roll or 20mph roll or dead stop line up and so on.Nobody was acting like a a** surprisingly it was just a race to settle a difference of opinions.He knew mine wasn't stock and what was done to it but he was confident he could beat me.We agreed to line them up even and a neutral person would call the start.To make a long story short we got lined up the guy threw down his hat and off we went.No surprise I beat him and beat him bad.I pulled away by about 4 cars lengths within a few seconds and he let off because he knew he couldn't catch me.We done this two more times to rule out any this or thats happen.And each time I pulled away from him by over 4 car lengths quik and the race was over.That's all I raced that night but he raced a couple more people.He got beat again by a late model stock Camaro SS but he did beat a RX8 twice.I wouldn't have even thought of telling this but after I watched them on tv trash talk the end of the Fbody and the Mustang was king it just got me boiling.The plain fact of the matter is even though the Mustang is a very nice car it is still a step behind a car that's no longer in production.Sorry for the book long novel but I was really really pissed lol.Im done now and my blood pressure is back down.

[Supercharged-ZQ8]

The F-Body WILL be back -- and probably better than ever. Just mark my words. I easily see an LS2 finding its way into a semi-retro-styled F-Car. If GM doesn't capitalize on that, then they are dumber than a box of rocks.

[Maximus]

They are dumb as a box of rocks let's just hope not so bad to not bring it back.

[s10cyncrvr]

If or when they bring the F-Body back I want a V8/6speed for under 25k, if not, they shouldn't even waste their time.

[blazen]

i personally dont think they should make the f body a retro car. there are plenty of retro cars out there. they should work on the future not the past. they already have the ssr and i forgot the other hhr or something. they should make something new. by the time they get the f body out it will be to little to late to fit in with all the new retro car and trucks.

[firehawkclone]

MAX look at GM lineup......they are dumb as a box of rocks!lol

And the mustang is king(price and sale's) of the pony car,it's just not the fastest!rotflmao

ford did copy the f body suspension for the new mustang!lol

[nomaboy]

F-Bodies have been beating the sh*t out of mustangs ever since they came to life in 67'. the mustang has always been waaaay over rated and the divers of them deserve to be put in thier place.

[Blazer69]

i do agree with u on pretty much everything...strongly agreeing with the fact that mustang folks talk way more **** then any car owners on the planet....if the car is that good no need to talk it up let the car do the talking right? never turns out that way and they always end up eating their words...good job maximus

[bvr775]

kids and wanabees. they don't know how to drive and they thinck GT means something specail. Yea ok it means grand tuoring. That's a hyway car, and yes on a road race I would take the mustang GT over the f-body anyday.

here's the thing guys the GT is and allway has been the lowend performance package. You want a fast stang go for the boss, shelby or sallen. true the avarage kid or wannabee person isn't going pay over 50K for a boss these days and are only the rich get the topend muscel. They don't know anything except what their buddy told them so they buy the GT hopeing that they can mod them into a boss. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Don't start slaming Ford guys because of a few jerks. I've told yall before I prefer fords when it comes to rasing. I can't get near the HP out of an N/A sbc as I can out of an N/A 351 ford. We'er not even going to try to touch mopar($$$$$$$$$$$$$)

I'm not poking at f-bodys, but let's face it your limited to a 1/4 mile drag car with the bolt-on parts and knowledge avalible to the genrale gear head. fords, and dodges may cost more for simple mods, but more HP can be obtained with bolt-ons without sacrifiseing reliabilty than you can get out of a GM comparibly sized engine without internal work.

I've driven the new Stang. my Z didn't have nothing on this beast. They definatly are definatly much better and much faster than last years.

[Maximus]

This was very immature and I am editing my posts only.This isn't S10 forum nor shall I act like it is.I have my opinions and others have theirs and nothing more.

[Maximus]

This was very immature and I am editing my posts only.This isn't S10 forum nor shall I act like it is.I have my opinions and others have theirs and nothing more.

[bvr775]

i wasn't going to reply to this, but you pushed.


Have you owned a LS1 or any generation III or IV smallblock



yea. In my most honest opinion they'er trash. I hate smallblocks I thinck all of them are trash no matter who makes them.

your wanting to compair an lt1 to a GT(the GT has the same engine you find in a truck with a slightly differnt tunning and a moded intake)
Ok so you would campair say a late 60 t/a to your t/a and say that just because your is faster it's better. Well that's obviously not right because the older T/A is a much better built car(Proven) it just has less HP per Lb than a newer T/A, but thats an easy fix.

Let's talk about the problems with fords modular engine. if it's a problem and not just some redneck jacking with stuff he's not supposed to then it'll be recaled. now lets talk about the opti-coils...oh wait GM says there is nothing wrong with the design.

[Maximus]

This was very immature and I am editing my posts only.This isn't S10 forum nor shall I act like it is.I have my opinions and others have theirs and nothing more.I also apologize to the board for acting so childish.

[OBI WAN]

""I can't get near the HP out of an N/A sbc as I can out of an N/A 351 ford. We'er not even going to try to touch mopar""

Why do you say that?

First GM small blocks can be combined in allmost any way shape or form on a very limited budget and make real decent amounts of horsepower. That in itself for a back yarder is the #1 reason people dont run Fords! Fords are so costly to build and get the right combinations to make power. They never could decided in which format they wanted to run small block wise which adds to the cost of the aftermarket. Had they decided what platform to run, this would be a no issue. And since all the aftermarket went to the GM line due to the one style paltform there are so many parts available to build gobs more horsepower than you can on a Ford motor. Dollar to dollar spent you CANNOT achieve the same power levels on a Ford then you can with a GM small block.




I'm not poking at f-bodys, but let's face it your limited to a 1/4 mile drag car with the bolt-on parts and knowledge avalible to the genrale gear head. fords, and dodges may cost more for simple mods, but more HP can be obtained with bolt-ons without sacrifiseing reliabilty than you can get out of a GM comparibly sized engine without internal work.

This is also another misnomer!! There not limited to 1/4 mile in any way shape nor form. GM people in general like to run straight line, but there are hoards when it comes to curvy type racing dont stay with the F body for one reason, and one reason only, its called a Corvette!!

And the reason for more h.p. on bolts ons , for the Fords and Chrysler products is maybe due to GM doing there homework????? If a bolt on works and works well it speaks volumes about the factory stuff, doesnt it??

[bvr775]

Chevy guys approch a ford engine as if it was just like a chevy engine...IT'S NOT. It's bass ackwards from a chevy, but the basic mechanicle principles are the same. Your right fords arn't a hobby engine.fords are "If you can't afford it don't **** with it" type engines. fords are exspensive and like I said I'm not touching mopar($$$$). If you can get 800 hp n/a to the wheels without sacrificeing reliabily out of a comparibly sized GM go for it cause I getting tired of racing kids who have no sence of true power.
drive one...bufore you all start bashing...drive one, work on one, learn.
That's all I'm saying

beside you all I don't like bashing dometic vehicles. that's why i drive a chevy and race with a ford. In a couple of more years as my salery increases I'll start doing mopar buildups. I'm not a brand guy I'm a car guy

[Maximus]

Thank you and I agree totally with you Jedi.I would also like to add something else.If the Fbody is basicly a 1/4 mile car then how did the Camaro and Firebird win so many Trans Am series races "more than the Mustang"for so many years through all the 4 generations.Were do you think the Firebird gets the name Trans Am from.I don't wanna cause a fuss but a debate can be a good thing.I disagree with your statements and only want to provide the facts.I don't hate Ford or the Mustang ive even owned a few.But the fact is the GM smallblock has always been the dollar for dollar better engine for the most hp/tq and the most durable.The generation 3 and 4 smallblocks have been voted the best smallblock design ever by the most respected engine builders and race teams in the world.It has also won the most awards by the top industry leaders in aftermarket parts and media.Again I don't wanna argue but I will debate.

[Hammer]

i totally disagree that dollar for dollar you will get more hp and reliability out of a mopar or ford than you could from a GM small block. The new small block in the ZO6 makes 500hp from the factory and gets 28 mpg. Chevy has won the manufacturers competition 2 years in a row in Nascar's top series with the small block and it has been GM's back bone since it's development. GM small blocks are cheap to modify and cheap to get hp out of because parts are so readily available for them from blocks to rods to pistons carbs etc. It is cheaper in many cases to build up a 383 small block instead of building up a 4.3L V6 just based on parts and that has been proven. GM small blocks are how do they say it "a dime a dozen" and easily attain 300+ hp on stock blocks rods, even with 2 bolt mains and crank really the injection system cam and intake is the cost. I just don't see the debate.

i'm not talking about 450-500+hp. nothing is cheap when you talk forged parts, dry sumps etc.

apparently richard childress, dei, and many other companies are comfortable with driving and racing chevy's.

i'd be glad to listen to explanations on why high horsepower chevy's are sacrifice reliability, no offense but maybe i too can learn something

[Maximus]

I wanna add something else to the debate here.The newest generation III and IV GM smallblocks are still on the same simple platform the first ones were with parts being basicly interchangeable between them all.You have the vortec 4.8,5.3,and 6.0 engines and the 5.7 LS1,5.7 LS6,6.0 LS2,and the mack daddy 7.0 LS7.Now look at the Ford smallblocks available.You have the 4.6,5.4,and the....umm.....wait that's all.There are the supercharged versions and hats off to Ford for offering a blower.But I still beat them with a no boost old pushrod motor that gets pretty good gas mileage and still runs low 12 second track times.

[firehawkclone]

Check out www.frrax.com and tell me that thier just 1/4 mile cars!

I have no hard facts or numbers(just going to the track) but out here SOPAC N.A.S.A. in CMC(camaro mustang challenge) the 3rd & 4th gen fbody do pretty well.Mainly due to the fact of limited mods.Now in AI(american iron) its a toss up,but in AIX(american iron extream)i don't think theres much limit to the mod list execpt to your pocket book :eek: and the mustangs do really good here(but were coming)Thier are just more mustang to trade more info.It's not the mustangs that are a problem, its those damm BMW M3/M5 :mad:

The SBC is by far the best motor GEN 1/2/3

OH YEAH,and i don't think the transam ever won a trans am race back in the day.but i could be wrong!