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T Man
01-30-05, 10:38 PM
Over the years I have been tuning on my truck and also a member of thses boards I have heard a bunch of talk about the Bosch Platinum + series and the Splitfires. I have heard claims of better mileage or preformance, and I wanted to clear some things up.

1) It is phsyically impossible to have spark to all 4 (3 or 2) ground straps at once. End of story. The electricity builds up in the end of the insulated portion, until it has enough voltage to jump the gap. The spark goes the easiest route. It will go to the closest or to the the cleanest ground strap. This is the same with the splitfires The ground strap of these is split in half at the very end. The spark will ALWAYS go the easiset route. If you dont believe me, buy a plug, lay it on the valve cover, hook it up and run it.

2) These plugs aren't bad plugs, don't get me wrong. The Bosch plugs are great plugs, but not because of the multiple ground straps. Any plug that is platinum coated will be a great plug, and heres why: Everytime your plug fires it deteriorates the inside tip a little bit. The platinum resists this deterioration. The Bosch plugs are also VERY VERY good in a motor that is prone to misifre, in a forced induction, or in a vehicle with very high compression. The reason for this is the very fact that the spark has several different ground paths. If one ground strap becomes too fouled, the spark will just jump to another ground strap. In a forced induction or a high compression rato application the air is swirling around the cylinder at a higher rate of speed, thus giving more of a chance of blowing out the small spark.

3) The only other benefit is the fact that you dont have to change your plugs as often. When the ground strap becomes too fouled, then the spark will jump to another strap.


So in conclusion.

You may see a small gas milage jump, but as for preformance, doubtful. These plugs aren't bad plugs as I have stated before, but they arent "high preformance" plugs. They aren't any better in a normal engine than an AC Delco plug. I have run the Platinum +2's in the past and I did it for a couple of years. They wernt bad plugs, but worth the money? No. For my money a set of NGK plugs will do better in an engine prone to fouling than a set of PP2's. They are built and used in a lot of 2 cycle applications, and as we all know 2 cycle's are prone to fouling due to the oil mixed in with the gas.

I hope this write up has been beneficial to those who are considering some of the PP2,3,4's or the Splitfire plugs. This was done to inform those who arent as knowledeable. There was a time I didnt know much (not that I know a lot now) and I would throw parts at my truck to make it faster, most of the time with no results and too much money spent.

LEADFOOT
01-30-05, 10:48 PM
I had a "96" corsica that I put bosch single plats in. They were in there for a little while, I can't remember just how long, somewhere between 35-50k miles. I went on a road trip to up state NY from FLA and when I got there I had bad miss fire on all cylinders. I pulled a plug and the electrode was burned up inside the ceramic. I said WTF these are bosck plats they shouldn't do that. So thats my experience with bosch. Don't know what caused it, may have been the straight 1500 mile drive.

bvr775
01-31-05, 12:56 AM
bosch sux...the end

OBI WAN
01-31-05, 05:13 PM
Yes plugs are pretty much plugs. Multiple ends dont do anything and there is no performance plug period unless your full bore into racing using copper plugs.
One thing I can state for Splitfires is they dont foul nearly as fast on a 2 cycle, why?

OBI WAN
01-31-05, 05:14 PM
bosch sux...the end

I'll let ya in on a little secret then. DONT BUY A/C DELCO anything if you think Bosch sucks!!

LEADFOOT
01-31-05, 07:07 PM
I bought some crapolla plugs and wires at a discount auto parts once for my corsica and they lasted about a week. Started to run like **** and at night I popped my hood and saw arching everywhere. Took that crap back and found this wholesale place where the dealers buy there parts and bought some ac delco plugs and wires. Never had a problem after that. Lesson learned. Don't buy nothing but ac delco unless its performance. I bought an alternator there for it and it didn't last too long either. Got my money back and bought ac delco and didn't have a problem, it lasted over a year untill I wrecked the car. Helll someone probably bought it out of the car at a junk yard and its probably still working 4 yrs later. HAHAHA.


Word of advise, (if you don't know already) don't buy anything at a dealership. I buy ac delco from that wholesale place that sells to the public and I get an invoice that says what I paid and what the dealer charges and it like triple the price. I bought a fuel filter for $11 and at the dealer like $30 for the same filter bought at the same place. Ac delco spark plugs $2 a pc, dealer like $6.50 a pc. Goodyear gatorback belt $20, dealer $60. Its nuts.

T Man
01-31-05, 07:19 PM
they dont foul as easily because they have multiple routes for the spark to travel to. If one half of the ground strap fouls then it jumps to the other. Like I said, Sparky turned me onto NGK plugs, and I am a user for life now. What are the chances this is gonna get made into a sticky. I think it is pertinant information.

xtreme canuck
01-31-05, 08:13 PM
did you now that ac-delco have stopped making most of there own plugs now... ngk have started making a lot of them ( if you look on some of the plugs the ngk name is stamped on them). a platinum plug is just the tip and in the center it is copper... i was told that most of the bosch center is steel with just a copper sliver while the ngk's have a complete copper center.i run the ngk iridium in my truck , i haven't put many miles on them but the rep assures me the are even better than the platinum.

OBI WAN
01-31-05, 08:21 PM
did you now that ac-delco have stopped making most of there own plugs now... ngk have started making a lot of them ( if you look on some of the plugs the ngk name is stamped on them). a platinum plug is just the tip and in the center it is copper... i was told that most of the bosch center is steel with just a copper sliver while the ngk's have a complete copper center.i run the ngk iridium in my truck , i haven't put many miles on them but the rep assures me the are even better than the platinum.

You got part of the picture. A/C Delco has closed most of its manufacturing and sub contracts. Valeo and Bosch do over 60% of all parts in A/C Delco boxes, they also own the old A/C Delco factories.

GM no longers owns the parts suppliers it once had, A/C Delco, Rochester Products and others due to UNIONS!!

xtreme canuck
01-31-05, 08:54 PM
You got part of the picture. A/C Delco has closed most of its manufacturing and sub contracts. Valeo and Bosch do over 60% of all parts in A/C Delco boxes, they also own the old A/C Delco factories.

GM no longers owns the parts suppliers it once had, A/C Delco, Rochester Products and others due to UNIONS!!
with the automotive industry there is so much buying and selling that it is almost impossible to keep up with. it is a bigger is better attitude .. for some it works and for others it doesn't.

bvr775
01-31-05, 10:47 PM
I normally use NKG plugs. I don't know what it is about them but they last. Considering who I've been told owns them that's pretty amazing.