Where are the Planes?

[BlazinLow_inORE]

I got this sent to me today... really makes u think.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

[04FULLSIZE]

wow...i really dont know what to make of it, it does provide some interesting evidence though.

[bvr775]

I seen that one a while back.

No comment.

Didn't you watch "Internet vs Real Life" :).

[BlazinLow_inORE]

lol yes bvr.... but it was interesting.. thought id post it

[blazen]

makes you think

[XxInFaxX]

definately something that makes u think

[DROPPEDGMC]

jet fuel is very hot when it burns.

[RickyCRX]

Pick up the latest issue of Popular Mechanics. It scientifically disproves most of the major conspiracy theories.

[LEADFOOT]

What do you guys have that allows ya'll to see that pic? I can't see it.

[bvr775]

Pick up the latest issue of Popular Mechanics. It scientifically disproves most of the major conspiracy theories.


I read it.. it talks in circles and leaves MORE unanswered questions.

fact of the matter is unless you know how shot Kennedy you will never know the real answers.

[PitchBlackBlzr]

ya know i watched that flash video...one thing bothers me....what exactly where they trying to prove or disprove besides the fact that it might not have been a passenger airliner?

[bvr775]

their trying to prove the goverment and media aren't telling us the whole truth.


duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[PitchBlackBlzr]

yeah but theres no solid argument no proof, just BS and speculation...i mean fer christ sake they should have put a note at the end saying "these are paid testimonials"

[LEADFOOT]

What is it a video of?I can't see it. I guess I need flash player or somethig.

[Jake Nac]

Support our country.



Jake

You said it Jake

[Maximus]

Watch this video and you can see why there was nothing left but a few pieces of metal.http://gprime.net/video.php/planevsconcretewall

[LEADFOOT]

DAMN..........that is F'ing crazy. That ***** went right through it..well not exactly whole.

[04FULLSIZE]

i might have missed it but do actually touch upon the fact that Flight 77 still disapeared? if it didnt crash into the pentagon where the hell did the plane go with all the passengers?

[bvr775]

as far as anyone can figure out there was no flight 77. it may be a goverment coverup so people don't start panicing when they find out a missel was launched from american soil or a bomb was set off inside the petegon. Who launched the missel, who set the bomb? knowbody will ever know, but this much is clear it was an unocupied section of the pentigon that housed many documents and files. As for as anyone can guestimate sep 11th may have just been convenent time to destory some unwanted paperwork and files.
don't say the goverment dosen't cover things up. We all know all goverments hide things from their people due to a misguided sence of protection or for purposes of absolute controle.
Or it could have simply been misfired missel to take down the tread in the sky. Our missels arn't as acurate as we like to thinck they are. any of a millon things can cause them to misfire, lose course, are simply fail all together.

[04FULLSIZE]

as far as anyone can figure out there was no flight 77. it may be a goverment coverup so people don't start panicing when they find out a missel was launched from american soil or a bomb was set off inside the petegon. Who launched the missel, who set the bomb? knowbody will ever know, but this much is clear it was an unocupied section of the pentigon that housed many documents and files. As for as anyone can guestimate sep 11th may have just been convenent time to destory some unwanted paperwork and files.
don't say the goverment dosen't cover things up. We all know all goverments hide things from their people due to a misguided sence of protection or for purposes of absolute controle.
Or it could have simply been misfired missel to take down the tread in the sky. Our missels arn't as acurate as we like to thinck they are. any of a millon things can cause them to misfire, lose course, are simply fail all together.

Then who are all these people who supposedly died in the crash?
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html

[LEADFOOT]

Ok I finally got flash player. Thats a wild video and really does make you think. After watching the plane slam into the concrete wall that maximus posted, the front of the plane was demolished upon impact. So how did that hole get in the wall of one of the pentagon bldgs, if it went through the others first. By the time it reached that wall there shouldn't have been anything left to make that hole. I don't about this but did they find pieces of the planes that hit the WTC bldgs?

[Krazny]

Yes.

They found parts of the planes that hit the WTC.

As for the hole in the wall, that was most likely caused by an engine, as they usually stay intact during a crash and carry a lot of kenetic energy.

[LEADFOOT]

Ok, so if they found plane parts at the WTC, then why didn't they find plane parts at the pentagon?

I don't trust the government any way, at all. They have the power to do what ever they want. Landing on the moon, have you seen all the findings on that?

[T Man]

Oh god here we go. Conspiracy theorists, get ready to go.

[Maximus]

Sshhhh don't tell anyone but it was aliens.:spacecraf

[Krazny]

Ok, first, there isnt a lot of wreakage left after a crash like that.
secondly, modern airliners are made of aluminium, which burns at 1100 degrees IIRC.
Jetfuel burns at almost 2200. after a crash like that, aint much going to be left

[Matt]

Just my .02....

I still think a plane DID hit the pentagon (call it a gut feeling)... but I havent heard any info from anyone supporting this side. All of the good technical info has come from the consp. theorists unfourtunately. Yes, I skeptical of the plane crash largely due to this fact.

For example... Krazny, aluminium doesn burn at 1100 deg. Far. (not trying to pick a fight, just using you as an example)
http://www.ueet.nasa.gov/materials/elements.php
another nasa site that quotes combustion temperatures in the engine only getting up to 2700.
http://www.ueet.nasa.gov/StudentSite/engines.html

Now if an INTERNAL combustion only gets up to 2700 at max (aluminum vaporization point of approx. 2500 deg), and would burn much much cooler outside a chamber (atleast 200 deg cooler), you simply cant get everything to burn with just the fuel contained in the wings. Just is not physically and chemically possible (remember, I think a plane DID hit the pentagon!) Part of the plane is going to remain. Granted a significant portion of the plane WAS discintigrated upon impact, but again, the whole plane wont discintigrate.

[BlazinLow_inORE]

well... sorry for starting a big debate... i just thought it was interesting and would make you all think....

[Jake Nac]

I would like to know why what I said in my post was edited off, does the truth hurt?

[T Man]

Ahhhh son of a *****!!!!! Damnit!!! Im sorry Jake. I keep trying to quote, and accidentally hit edit instead. I am very sorry. I am sorry to the people I keep doing this to. I am not trying to do this.

That is why my writing is at the bottom. Im sorry once again.

By the way BVR, you said that as far as anyone could tell flight 77 never existed. Who is anyone? Who says this?

[Krazny]

Aluminium melts at 660 degrees C.
Jet fuel, as you have stated burns at close to 2700 degrees. (I was using the figure for JP-4, not the correct JP-8 that is used in modern airliners.)
Most of the remains of the airliner will be charred and deformed beyond recognition.

[Maximus]

I new I had posted a response in here once with that link.Dude you really need to practice the quote feature.Deleting posts is a serious thing.Jake if you will post your response again I didn't get to read it.

[DROPPEDGMC]

Aluminium melts at 660 degrees C.
Jet fuel, as you have stated burns at close to 2700 degrees. (I was using the figure for JP-4, not the correct JP-8 that is used in modern airliners.)
Most of the remains of the airliner will be charred and deformed beyond recognition.
true true, very true

[T Man]

I havent deleted any posts. What I accidentally do is hit the edit button meaning to hit the quote button, then cut everything I didnt want to quote and submit it. I havent deleted anything from you in this thread. I edited something a while back that i ment to quote.

[Matt]

Aluminium melts at 660 degrees C.
Jet fuel, as you have stated burns at close to 2700 degrees. (I was using the figure for JP-4, not the correct JP-8 that is used in modern airliners.)
Most of the remains of the airliner will be charred and deformed beyond recognition.

Oh very true, but it would still exist in solid form as it hasnt vaporized. I would expect some melted pools, some very deformed objects, but not the lack of them which indicates either removal, vaporization, or non-existence. Also that 2700 deg Far. is combustion chamber temps, which will be much higher than burning that fuel in ambient air. Plus that fire is not going to melt everything as the fuel would have to be very accurately sprayed throughout the ertire airliner for a sustained period to melt the whole plane throughly.

[Jake Nac]

This post was accidentally removed and is not word for word, (now that’s a conspiracy). My dad is retired from the pentagon but currently has coworkers/friends that are still there. I can assure you that despite the fire there were articles of the plane and its contents that did survive, small pieces, even a drivers license. Despite the freedom of the press, DOD approved the only photographs that were released. (Department Of Defense)


I new I had posted a response in here once with that link.Dude you really need to practice the quote feature.Deleting posts is a serious thing.Jake if you will post your response again I didn't get to read it.

[T Man]

I Am The Shooter From The Grassy Knoll

[importmaster1300]

I was an aircraft mechanic for the last 2 years, I have seen alot of footage from plane wrecks. The video might not be entirely correct, given what you can do with computers now. However there WOULD be SOME pieces of the aircraft left. Reguardless of the temp. Think about this, If the aircraft is flying @ 200mph when it hit, parts of it would still fly 200MPH for a few seconds. I have seen about every video of that "plane crash" and I honestly do think it wasn't a plane. But then I wonder where those people went who were on the aircraft. Honestly, I cant remember but did anyone come on T.V. and say they lost someone on that flight?
A missle attack would make people panic. Also our government has been known to cover things like this up.

[Jake Nac]

How about a driver’s license from a schoolteacher 58-year-old man named James Debevneure? Found by my cornel friend. I am telling you there were pieces of the aircraft left!

[Krazny]

IIRC, the Airliner impacted the ground, and slid into the pentagon. Kinda like skipping a rock on a pond.

[inprogress10]

i thought the music in the video kicked ass!

[bvr775]

I've tryed time and time again to find info on flight 77. I can find passengers, but no flight.. and when i try to look up the passengers i find they were all retired airforce or navy and worked for the gov in some way or anoughter, but there are only 5 passengers that you can trace back to exsitance before 9/11. that's not saying the rest don't exsit either. it's just saying there are no public records of the rest. I'm not saying there wasn't a flight. I'm saying at the time of departure flight 77 didn't exsit as flight 77. I have i found no one who can link a "flight 77" from take off till it hit the pentegon. That's what make this video work. If there were compete answers we wouldn't be talking about it now would we.
we are not supposed to know what happened nor will anyone every know the whole truth of what happend. Unless we do our homework and still you'll have holes unless you have complete acess to every to all the info. As it is most of what we average net hounds learn on this is tiyed to propaganda sites that have no intrest in telling you everything because the boring stuff doesn't sell.

I will tell everyone this the film Is doctored. there are things missing that would normaly be there and things there that would normaly be missing. you know how I feel about giveing poeple answers. thinck for yourself and look at everything with an open mind before jumping conclusion.

here's a hint .if you go to CNN or ABC and look up the actually pics of the explosion and then watch the video you'll see.

[Jake Nac]

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.






CREW



Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.







PASSENGERS



Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney ****ens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[T Man]

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77





PASSENGERS



Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.



Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.


Rodney ****ens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.


Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Yup, sounds like a bunch of military pilots to me

[T Man]

i searched both CNN and ABC, couldnt find any pictures of the pentagon. Would you please put some up so I can watch the video and draw my own conclusions?

[BlazinLow_inORE]

couldnt find any on cnn... but found some on my local news stations site...
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091114.jpg (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091114)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091113.jpg (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091113)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091106.png (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091106)

[BlazinLow_inORE]

more........
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091120.jpg (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091120)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091125.jpg (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091125)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091117.png (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091117)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091104.jpg (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091104)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091126.png (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091126)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091121.png (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091121)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091118.jpg (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091118)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091127.jpg (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091127)

[BlazinLow_inORE]

and more with a video...

http://0911.site.voila.fr/pentagonxox.jpg (http://0911.site.voila.fr/index11.htm)


http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091115.png (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091115)
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/pic/Pentagon091108.png (http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/cgi-bin/show.cgi?Pentagon091108)






ALSO.... if you look at this tape of the collision... between "plane" and "impact #2" the is a clip missing.... you can also tell because the video goes from 17:37:19... to 17:37:21. In that one second.. there would have been a CLEAR view of what the "plane/missle/whatever" looked like.



http://0911.site.voila.fr/pentanimorig.gif (http://0911.site.voila.fr/pentanimorig.gif)

[BlazinLow_inORE]

another site..... just some random person's site... but he has alot of trajectories and things that i thought was interesting to take into account.

http://0911.site.voila.fr/

[bvr775]

resaerch the victoms a little deeper than what is written by the asosiated press. 12 of the ones on the list are on the flight 11 victoms list too.
this site has this info. Sorry about the color.
not sure of the source, but it's interesting
http://airgames.bravehost.com/


Boeing 757
Fleet Number 5BP (N5BPAA)

Tail Number N644AA (->N644AA reported as destroyed - but not until Jan 14 2002)
NOTE: original tail number N624aa most of end of Aug and start of Sept
N624aa was in Bostan Logan Sept 10th (as Flight 181, 11:00 AM EST)
Flight 77 was cancelled on the 5th
Diversion: UA 09/10/2001 0077 N544UA Destination: SFO Diversion: Yes
64 aboard, including the official hijackers= not on Passenger list
Official Route: Washington Dulles -Los Angeles
on route from Dulles airport (DC) to LA
(Official) Flight Arrival Time: *****TBD*****
Official Departure Time: 08:10 AM
Official Final Departure Time: 08:20 AM
BTS Flight Arrival Time: NOT POSSIBLE
BTS Tail Number Wheels-on Time: N644AA NONE (09/04 -09/11)
BTS Actual Arrival Time: N644AA NONE (09/09 -09/11)
BTS Scheduled Arrival Time: N644AA NONE (09/10 -09/11)
BTS Wheels-off Time: NONE
BTS Departure Time: NONE
NOTE: N644AA does NOT appear at all, EVER, on the BTS database (BTS changed October 2004)
officially hijacked (over *****TBD*****) at about 08.31 (NEADS/NORAD Lt.Colonel Dawne Deskins "Amalgam Virgo 01")notified by Boston Control)
~ 8:43 deviates from its flight path ( ~ same time as 175 veers from course)
8:51 AA77 transmitted its last routine radio communication
officially AA77 hit the Pentagon at 09:38 (some reports at 09:40, 09.45 AM EST)
Significances: two clocks stopped working at 09:32 AM EST
wing renovated by AMEC Plc, some witnesses worked for Renovation Team
official teacher of Hani Hanjour (observed by FBI informant) Lotfi Raissi pled unguilty
10:05:16 AM Reportedly a second aircraft has crashed into the Pentagon building

[T Man]

Who published that website? It seems like a lot of conspiracy theorist speculation. A lot of interpreting the maps, and facts the way that fits thier agenda. Why cant we just leave this alone. Why do you feel the need to discount over 3,000 American deaths to some whacked out conspiracy theory? C'mon now. If you don't trust the Government, no one is forcing you to stay here. It is people who leach off of the government, take all the good it has to give, all the freedoms that it grants to everyone, then turn around and say that it is lying to us, it is not trust worthy that **** up this country. You guys keep thinking what you want to think, obviously you want to have your country lie to you, that is why you keep looking for it. As for me, Im gonna do like my father, and my grandfather, and my great grandfather did before me. Im gonna keep on loving the United States of America. The land of the free and the home of the bravest motherf***ers in the world. Im out, you guys have fun with this.

Tom

[Matt]

I dont trust the government, but I sure as **** aint leaving! It would be idiotic for anyone to honestly belive everything from washington (regardless of party) is the truth. People naturally lie, and people run washington. Has absolutely everyone (not just one select person) in a postion of direct authority over you always told the truth 100% of the time? (Parents, Bosses, Teachers, etc?) The system isnt perfect, there are coverups, spins, denials, accusations, lies all over the place, but its the best we have and what we live with. I love this country too but I dont dare dream everything I hear is true from either side (consp. theorists or washington).

[BlazinLow_inORE]

Tman. That second website i posted i said that it was someone's personal website that he had made spculations on. Its not a government or news site at all. And I am also not saying 100% that I do not believe anything that happened on 911..... there is some that I do believe and some that I do not believe. When I first posted the video... my intentions were to have a video for people to think about.... like when I recieved it in my email from my friend. You also asked for pictures so that you could compare the video with pictures... so I sent you pictures. I do like this country.. and I obviously don't WANT the government to lie to me... but it happens. We all have our different views... and opinions. Thats something everyone will have to cope with. People are human, humans make mistakes... or excuses... or lies... its natural.

[importmaster1300]

Why cant we just leave this alone. Why do you feel the need to discount over 3,000 American deaths to some whacked out conspiracy theory? C'mon now. If you don't trust the Government, no one is forcing you to stay here. It is people who leach off of the government, take all the good it has to give, all the freedoms that it grants to everyone, then turn around and say that it is lying to us, it is not trust worthy that **** up this country. You guys keep thinking what you want to think, obviously you want to have your country lie to you, that is why you keep looking for it.

Tom

I can go into what I think about the government, no one would see it like I do. If I didn't like this country I would be workin for them, I agree that any "hippie" slamming our country should be shot in the face then exported out. I do know there is alot of messed up stuff our government does that just ain't right. On the other hand there is alot of stuff they do right.

[bvr775]

Why do you feel the need to discount over 3,000 American deaths to some whacked out conspiracy theory? C'mon now. If you don't trust the Government, no one is forcing you to stay here.

nobody is discounting the deaths. We are actually haveing a civil disscusion for once. I've done the research and I've always said there are to many unanswered quetion that really need to be answered. It's our right as free americans to exercise our right to ask questions.

[BlazinLow_inORE]

btw bvr i editied your post so we could actually read it.

[bvr775]

............. thax. it looks much better now

[importmaster1300]

LMAO! You found the links BVR! J/K!

[bvr775]

well short of hacking the ci mainframe I really can't give you any sites that arn't right or left propaganda. So no matter what info I give you some ars skews the info by only putting what of they thinck is of interest. Like I said draw your own conclusions. In 20 years people will start digging deeper and people will start comming forward. I can wait.

This much has been proven; there was an explosion at the pentigon.
a large boring couldn't have put a small hole in the base of the petigon with out hiting the lawn or fliping cars on the hyway as it flew over.
if it was a plane it was small private jet(possible 12 seater)
the flight transiver on all 4 hyjacked plans were turned off at aproamatly the same time so all the maps are a conclusion of the actuale flight path based on a canadian radar that was off line for 45 minuntes due to sofware problems before any of the planes hit.
flight 77 and 93 were at 2 diffent airports at the same time.
they are coflicting tail # for flight 77
the plane wasn't destroyed untill jan 02 and the tail# are listed as in service untill then.
the flight records and passenger maifests for all 4 planes are incomplete
2 of the terrorist that the cia said dyed in the flights are alive and the BBC has documented proof along with interveiws after 9/11.

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how many more questions do you need to know something is being covered up.

how many people remeber that the all original media footage on sept 11th said there were 4 planes? nobody ever asks quetions about the 4th plane that went down on 9/11.

[Krazny]

Umm.
There were 4 planes.
The 2 that hit the towers, the one that hit the pentagon, and the one that crashed in Pennsylvania.

[importmaster1300]

That is true. No one really asked about the Pentagon one much.

[BlazinLow_inORE]

i knew that there was 4... and i heard alot of commotion about the towers and the pentagon one..... not the Penn one tho.