Turbo kits for 4.3

[Sexyblue22]

I was browsing tha net, and ran across this web site...

www.machperformance.com

They make turbo kits for the 4.3 and I believe they have Prochargers for the 4.3 too.

I want! I want! I want!

[Maxx]

Machperformance = bad
Results blown engines , unfinished tuning , incomplete kits, long wait for kits(6month+)
search the forums here and you will find the disputes

[OBI WAN]

You have to pay 90% + up front and could never ever even see it delivered. Same for the procharger arrangement. This shop Machine Performance owned by Bill has had MORE than its share of problems and ripping off the S10 peoples. About 60% of all people whom have dealt with him have now gone on to say the truths and warn people against buying anything from him. From lack of delivery, partial delivery that could take up to a year to receive everything for a kit, to kits breaking down and parts failing!

[Sexyblue22]

That's crappy! Thanks for the warnings!

I would rather turbo my 4.3 instead of a supercharger. There is a shop here in ATL, GA that will turbo any vehicle for like 4k to 5k.

[blazen]

That's crappy! Thanks for the warnings!

I would rather turbo my 4.3 instead of a supercharger. There is a shop here in ATL, GA that will turbo any vehicle for like 4k to 5k.

turbo's are alot more complicated than a supercharger and alittle harder to fix when broken and sometimes cost more. but if your looking to be a little different and going for more of a wow factor than i'd go with the turbo too.

[Supercharged-ZQ8]

That's crappy! Thanks for the warnings!

I would rather turbo my 4.3 instead of a supercharger. There is a shop here in ATL, GA that will turbo any vehicle for like 4k to 5k.
Superchargers are more reliable, easier to tune, and not as hard on the engine. Plus, they tend to be less expensive. If you've got money in hand, we've got a Wynjammer Group Purchase going, but the deadline to reserve your place in line is tonight by midnight. $2200 all told (shipping and everything), plus it is three mods in one: S/C, programmer and intake. 65 rwhp gain, which is substantial. The only hitch would be if you have air injection or not.

In general, I've never been a fan of turbos -- you need to sink around $7000+ into a setup in order to get it to run correctly, and then you'll still sacrifice reliability (which is never good if it's a daily driver) and will spend more time chasing bugs, glitches and general problems than you will driving it. Yes, turbos give faster times (in general), but the disadvantages FAR outweigh the advantage(s). You'd be much better off being blown!

[PitchBlackBlzr]

well after reading Supercharged's review I would have to say i would go with the SC instead of turbo, that is if i ever decided to part the 2200 from my sticky hands(not to mention trying to clear that one with the wife would be a frickin miracle in its self)

[Sexyblue22]

You'd be much better off being blown!

Yeah.... Blown... :D Need to quit being bad! ;)

[Supercharged-ZQ8]

Yeah.... Blown... :D Need to quit being bad! ;)
Being blown isn't being bad -- it's FUN!

[94s10]

hey just fyi, the deadline to sign up for the Group purchase may be extended to the 31st. and you have to pay by the 15th of april so you have time to get some dough together

[XxInFaxX]

Yeah.... Blown... :D Need to quit being bad! ;)



im with S/C on this one...FUN! Not to mention...well, we'll keep it G rated...so "FUN"

[Supercharged-ZQ8]

Being blown is FUN, no matter how you look at it!

[blazen]

i wish i could get blown take that any way you want

[Sy-Clone]

If turbo's are so unreliable,then who can explain to me why are there so many
factory turbocharged cars? PEACE>Tony :rolleyes:

[JROD©™®]

sounds like its almost easier swapping to an engine that does have a proper turbo application than getting one for the 4.3...

fine with me turbo 6.0L v8 engine swap it IS!!!!!!

[OBI WAN]

If turbo's are so unreliable,then who can explain to me why are there so many
factory turbocharged cars? PEACE>Tony :rolleyes:

I dont reall want to get into this, but!

Look at the average life of a factory turbo car, supercharged car etc and also look at Ebay!! If they were so reliable, why does everyone get rid of them!! These mods are only for the few given people whom can take care of them, maintain them etc, but normal people buy them and find out the hard way it isnt key in and go, then dump them so there high priced vehicles are reliable again!

[T Man]

uh oh, here we go. I want a good clean fight, no hitting below the belt, no swearing, keep it clean. GO GET EM!!!

[Supercharged-ZQ8]

If turbo's are so unreliable,then who can explain to me why are there so many
factory turbocharged cars? PEACE>Tony :rolleyes:
Well, since you asked. . . But first, I'm not stating anything to be a smart-ass or to be rude (you should know me better than that, Tony).

1) Economy, on several levels -- a turbo is cheaper than a larger displacement engine; a turbo, because of its "lag" usually doesn't come into play during "normal" driving (normal shifts, no WOT); most smaller turbos are much cheaper than roots blowers (which is what most, if not all, factory applications are -- the centrifugal types are aftermarket only from what I've seen); since turbos run off of exhaust pressure, there is no extra drag on the drive belt -- which is why they work so well on 4-cylinders.

2) It's an easy, space-saving way to boost power (if the vehicle was equipped with a turbo from the factory) -- no hood clearance issues as with S/Cs, no engine compartment issues as with larger engines, no additional belt-routing issues.

3) For some reason the word "turbo" sells cars -- it's all about the crowd that shops for that type of car.

4) I've worked inspecting vehicles -- all types, from repos to lease turn-ins to new factory cars. On average, a turbocharged motor lasts about 50-80K miles before the turbo goes bad -- sometimes the motor goes bad within that time as well. VWs are the worst -- those turbos only last 50-60K miles on average. The Porshe turbos are second worse -- they usually make it to around 60K or a little over. Mistubishi turbos last around 75-80K miles (sometimes more on the newer ones). Etc. GM turbos seem to have a longer lifespan than most (Syclone/Typhoon, Regal, etc.). It's the nature of the beast because vehicle manufacturers, like the military, tend to use the lowest bidder's parts.

Don't get me wrong -- turbos run faster times than S/Cs and are MUCH more efficient; but to get a turbo to work on a vehicle that was not equipped with one from the factory, there is a LOT of time, work and money involved (as you yourself well know). I'm willing to bet you're going to have the fastest S-Series on the boards once you're done -- but think about the time and effort (and money) that you've got into it so far. The average Joe doesn't have that time, patience or money -- and for a lot, these are daily drivers.

It's also all about maintenance -- a lot of people that buy turbocharged vehicles new don't take any extra maintenance precautions, so that tends to lessen the lifespan of the turbo as well. Of course, if the vehicle (and turbo) is properly maintained, then the life-expectancy is MUCH greater.

[Supercharged-ZQ8]

Also, as we've seen with GM (and other manufacturers) in the last few years, vehicle manufacturers don't make the best of decisions a lot of the time. . . Let's see GM's recent DUMB decisions:

SSr -- too high-priced, not enough power
S-Series -- axed for a bigger, uglier truck that's underpowered
F-Bodies -- axed because they priced them so high that no one that wanted one could afford one, and those that could afford one stepped up the Vettes
Vehicles in general -- overpriced -- other manufacturers have the same options and classes fro thousands less.

Other manufacturers have equally bad decisions, but GM's are the worst (at least from this consumer's perspective).

[OBI WAN]

3) For some reason the word "turbo" sells cars -- it's all about the crowd that shops for that type of car.





That summed it up all in one sentence!
98% of the public has the money for such, but not the brains for it!

[Maximus]

I love to get BLOWN as much as possible and as often as possible lmao!!And I mean it they way it sounds lol.

[Sy-Clone]

Came out of this one without a scratch! My truck will not be a daily driver, I have a Buick Regal for that. I am also very aware of the upkeep involved. I
wanted to try something different and challenging and boy I sure found it!
The great thing about it is that I have forums like this to share and learn.
I know I will reep the benefits of my labor when all is said and done. PEACE>Tony :eyebrows_

[importmaster1300]

Tony we NEED video footage of your truck!
I wanna see it run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blazen]

you guys are makeing turbos sound like a bad thing. there not really a bad thing they are a great way to add power to a smaller motor. they may not be as reliable as a s/c but they can be fun to drive. plus its also something alittle different for most american cars and different is a good thing. they are alittle more complicated but thats what makes it intresting. if it was easy anyone could do it

[Supercharged-ZQ8]

Came out of this one without a scratch! My truck will not be a daily driver, I have a Buick Regal for that. I am also very aware of the upkeep involved. I
wanted to try something different and challenging and boy I sure found it!
The great thing about it is that I have forums like this to share and learn.
I know I will reep the benefits of my labor when all is said and done. PEACE>Tony :eyebrows_
You, Tony, are a rarity. You know what you're doing (and if not, you ASK), and you know what's involved. It's not a daily driver -- it's a toy, an expensive one, but a toy nonetheless. I've said it before and I'll say it again: when that bugger is done, it'll probably have the fastest times of any S-Series around. . . Maybe with the exception of a Sy/Ty or three -- but that's NOTHING to sneeze at!

[Supercharged-ZQ8]

you guys are makeing turbos sound like a bad thing. there not really a bad thing they are a great way to add power to a smaller motor. they may not be as reliable as a s/c but they can be fun to drive. plus its also something alittle different for most american cars and different is a good thing. they are alittle more complicated but thats what makes it intresting. if it was easy anyone could do it
They're neither good nor bad -- they just are. There are advantages and disadvantages to all things. Yes, they are a great way to add power to ANY motor -- but the reliability of factory installed turbos is pretty bad. Yes, they can be DAMN FUN to drive -- and often run better times than S/Ced vehicles (depending on the type of race, of course).

Yes, they're different -- which is always good. And they're complicated, which is good, but also bad. Good, in that with as much work and TLC as they require, only a dedicated speed freak should use them. Bad, in that "the masses" hear "turbo" and think they can do it to ANYTHING -- but don't realize even a fraction of the time, money and general upkeep it takes to get them running correctly and KEEP them running correctly.

Turbos are NOT for just anyone -- but EVERYONE seems to think that they are. That's the biggest problem with turbos: the hype. Turbos, even on factory turbocharged vehicles, are hard to tune -- I have yet to hear a factory-turboed engine NOT ping and clatter because the tune wasn't right FROM THE FACTORY.

I'm old fashioned and definitely Old School. Fine: turbos, YES, are faster and, YES, more efficient. But, NO, they aren't reliable enough for me. I want to be able to DRIVE my vehicle whenever I want. The only time I want to be working on it is to upgrade things to get more power, better handling, better looks and better stopping power -- NOT to tune and tweak and generally **** around with, or **** with to get it running properly. I want to put the key in, turn it and drive away with no problems or concerns. . . I don't have the level of confidence in a turbo to be able to do that. I've tuned more than a few turbos in my day. . . A Syclone, a couple Regals (GN and T-Type), a Porsche 911, an Audi S4, a Supra, and a 4.8L Silverado. Trust me -- I have a SLIGHT idea what I'm doing, and they're a pain to get running correctly and even more of a pain to KEEP running correctly (of course, these are friends' and associates' cars, and they like to THINK they know how to tinker -- and a couple of times have learned the hard way how NOT to tinker once it's been tuned).

Who knows -- maybe one of these days I might change my mind, but that's doubtful. . . I'm too old and too crotchety to change my ways now. . . LMAO!

But, in short (yeah, yeah, I know: TOO LATE): turbos are faster and much more efficient than S/Cs, and they definitely have earned their place in the racing world -- but they SUCK for daily drivers.

[blazen]

Turbos are NOT for just anyone -- but EVERYONE seems to think that they are. That's the biggest problem with turbos: the hype. Turbos, even on factory turbocharged vehicles, are hard to tune -- I have yet to hear a factory-turboed engine NOT ping and clatter because the tune wasn't right FROM THE FACTORY.


Who knows -- maybe one of these days I might change my mind, but that's doubtful. . . I'm too old and too crotchety to change my ways now. . . LMAO!

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yes i know alot of people who seem to think they know it all when it comes to turbos. i know i dont know much about them but i also know thy dont either.

you cant get a turbo than you'd have to change your name and you cant do that