View Full Version : Complete interior redo. Started out replacing heater core, but now....
I started to replace the heater core, and as we all know, that pita requires removinmg everything. So I say to myself, if Im gonna remove everything, Im gonna make it look good before I put it back in.
So I took out the trim around the dash and guess what my dumbass did. busted the emergency light switch. I didnt think it was that bad, but when I went to start the truck, the horn went off. WHAT HAPPENED? I mean the emergency lights were going off too, but I can work with that.
Where is the horn in the engine bay and how can I temp disconnect that bitsh???
87wildside
02-06-10, 09:47 PM
I wish I could help. Stupid second gens, now I'm scared.
Big Mack Daddy
02-06-10, 09:48 PM
The horn is behind the grill and there is a simple connector going to it. Unplug the connector and the horn will quit.
Well I unplugged two horn apparently on each side of the truck. I wasnt behind the grille. Now the truck wont start. I dont know what it could be. The relay in the glove compartment is ticking for some reason now????
Why wont it start?
Big Mack Daddy
02-06-10, 10:28 PM
Hmm...I don't know what to tell you now. Maybe try to contact Mikz86TA? He and DMP are the only two wiring specialists here that I can think of at the moment.
Well, Im not happy.
There are three relay switches in the glove compartment. What is the middle one?
ace2fine
02-06-10, 10:49 PM
What year and model truck r we talking about?
1996 Chevy s-10 v-6 Vortc... hope someone can help tonight....
Heavy Chevy
02-06-10, 11:02 PM
Its hard to say,a wire could be pinched,shorting or something.does not sound like a easy fix!Just got to back track your moves and look!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, the horn is blowing(but not connected) and the emergency light is going off. I figure, maybe I could take covers off of the steering wheel and fix the horn-blinker-whatever. It may be a short or something. But this sucks asz.
Nice Jimmy by the way Ace2fine
12sws27
02-06-10, 11:14 PM
Maybe it has something to do with a factory security system?
12sws27
02-06-10, 11:15 PM
Maybe it has something to do with a factory security system?
Or an after market Alarm the previous owner had on the truck????
ace2fine
02-06-10, 11:16 PM
Thanks, go through the fuse box under the hood and end of the dash. Pull the horn fuse. As for the emergency lights, u mean the hazards? There is a thread about that. Do a search for hazard switch. Did you pull the whole dash out of the truck when doing the heater core?
randyboy
02-06-10, 11:19 PM
Well I unplugged two horn apparently on each side of the truck. I wasnt behind the grille. Now the truck wont start. I dont know what it could be. The relay in the glove compartment is ticking for some reason now????
Why wont it start?
the reason the glove box is ticking is :even though the horns are unpluggedthe power is still working.It seem like it is in a security mode,did you disconnect the battery?and what about locking and un locking the drivers door with the key? sometimes that will reset the system...
ace2fine
02-06-10, 11:25 PM
I would say un hook the battery negative cable. If the horn stops it was in security mode. Leave it unhooked for a while. It should reset the system. The clicking under the glove box is prolly the turn signal relay due to the hazards.
Hmm...I don't know what to tell you now. Maybe try to contact Mikz86TA? He and DMP are the only two wiring specialists here that I can think of at the moment.
WTH? wheres the love? :(
I tried disconnecting the negative from the battery and unlocking the door with my keys. I stick the keys in, the ticking starts in the glove compartment, and it will not turn over.
Im thinking its the hazard putton pushed in the steering column in the wrong position setting off the horn. Im not sure though
Big Mack Daddy
02-07-10, 12:35 AM
WTH? wheres the love? :(
C'mon, gimme some credit. It's Saturday night and I has Wild Turkey :biggrin:
Here some pics of the car. I broke that damn hazard switch and now the thing wont crank. I am pissed. Talking to an online mechanic. What a joke. As soon as the hazard switch broke, the horn started sounding off and wouldnt start. I unplugged the horns and horn relay. I hear the fuel pump prime and click.
Does that hazard switch connect the horn and the starter?
And is there such thing as a starter relay?
Look at these connections
http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab190/jjwlff/040.jpg
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CowardlyDawg
02-07-10, 08:49 PM
This is some really weird stuff going on, All i can think of is a security system or something rediculous like that. The clicking is probably the hazard relay as stated before.
http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab190/jjwlff/028.jpg
This is the start of the interior. Putting down red carpet. Painting the dash, trim, and parts yellow. Than paint everything else gloss black. I think it would look good with some added accessories.
http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab190/jjwlff/029.jpg
http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab190/jjwlff/032.jpg
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This is my first interior renovation. Did my research and sort-of prepared. Any advise would be helpfull. Your in for a picture treat. But I really want to get this thing started before I move on. Still havent got to the heater core yet.
Danzcameo
02-07-10, 09:01 PM
Seems like I remember that there was a recall through GM on those emergency flasher buttons for the 2nd gen. The local dealer may help you out with another. not sure but worth a phone call.
ace2fine
02-07-10, 09:15 PM
I assume the horn quit. Do this http://www.s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=569&highlight=hazard+switch
ace2fine
02-07-10, 09:23 PM
There's a LOT more stuff going on there than just dash work. With all the other stuff that's unplugged while your trying to start the truck, id freak out and honk my horn too! Id hook everything up back to factory including the seat belts. Replace the hazard switch and THEN hook up the battery and see what happens. That many loose ends in kind of a "bunk" year of these trucks and who knows what can go batty!
Does anyone else agree? Can I find one in a junk yard?
RedX001
02-08-10, 12:28 PM
My 2001 will do that weird **** if the battery gos low. Horn goes of, dash gages/lights go dim and relays start clicking. Clean the battery terminals and check the charge on the battery.
spideyjected
02-08-10, 02:25 PM
IIRC my highschool sweetheart had a 96. The steering column had to be replaced when the stereo guy broke the hazzard switch.
Ok. So I got a new hazard switch from the junk yard. Hazards are working fine.
Now when you try to start the car, the horns goes off like an alarm's been set of and I still cant crank it.
There is a little flashing red peice under the steering wheel. Is that an alarm or what is that. If you need pics, I can put it up. How can I get my truck started.
I know you guys will help. I believe in yall
SUCCESS!!!! You guys were right!!!! It was an alarm. I put on the new hazard switch and the horns were going off like an alarm. So I started doing some investigating and I found a little black box the was "tapped" into a red and white wire. I said to myself, this is not factory and just unplugged it. Duhh
But now it wont run. It cranks, but it wont start. I kept switching the horn with the fuel relay like the online mechanic told me. Will that have messed up the relay? I hear the fuel prime before I crank it. Something I'm missing?
I cant figure it out. This truck just wont start. Its got spark. The fuel is priming. Where do I go next.
Anyone?
12sws27
02-08-10, 07:48 PM
That alarm has to have some kind of kill switch. That's way you truck won't start. If it were that easy for some one to just unplug the alarm and drive off with you truck what good would it be? Completely remove the alarm or find out what kind it is and learn how to reset it.
ace2fine
02-08-10, 09:46 PM
Get some pics under the dash and engine bay. Also one of the starter and one of all the wires from under the dash where the steering column comes under it. Mike should be able to tell if anything is wired into factory harnesses. I can't see anything out of the norm from your previous pics.
I GOT IT!!!. I just disconnected all the wires from the alarm system, connected two yellow wires that looked like it went together before, and connected the negative to the battery. It started right up. Im HAPPY!!!!
Danzcameo
02-08-10, 10:11 PM
I GOT IT!!!. I just disconnected all the wires from the alarm system, connected two yellow wires that looked like it went together before, and connected the negative to the battery. It started right up. Im HAPPY!!!!
Thats good to hear! now dont forget the heater core has to be done:) before it starts spewing coolant on your new carpet :(
Thats the idea. Can anyone tell me exactly where I should go for the heater core???
ace2fine
02-08-10, 10:17 PM
Yay! Good deal. And good luck wih the heater core. I started to do a write-up thread for replacing it but the whole ordeal had me so aggrevated I never wrote the thread.
Danzcameo
02-08-10, 10:27 PM
I'm not impressed with the 2nd gen heater core-when i did mine ,a 2001 it was made of aluminum and the hose tubes would pivet cause they're inserted into a hole with an O-ring to seal it and it was just sort of pinched down to hold them in. seemed to be poorly designed to me.
they should've used copper and soldered the tubes! Dexcool blow's!
Well, this is the thread then. I guess I will go from start to finish with pics
Ok, I pretty much have the dash completely out. Where is this stupid thing. I just want to replace the silly heater core. I couldve done without all this. Just bypass and buy an electric heater.
Is it behind this black cover held by these small 4mm screws???? I dont want to have to take it off and that not be it......
ace2fine
02-09-10, 11:06 AM
Yes it inside that black box. You are prolly gonna need to remove several nuts on the engine side of the fire wall to release the box. It makes getting to the screws easier. Also note the position of the door actuater in relation to the door inside the box. I just put mine back together and didn't pay attention to it. Now my heater pulls air from the wiper cowl even when I turn on the recirculate mode.
spideyjected
02-09-10, 11:47 AM
Glad to hear the engine runs again. Isn't working around someone elses "handy work" just great??
Im sorry. I didnt understand some of that. You said the door actuator in relation to the door inside the box????
Im starting to get all the screws out now.
Ok, I cant find the f***ing 5mm wrench or socket. Maybe I didnt have one at all. Well, while Im waiting for my girl to come home and take over the baby.
I tried using the Krylon Fusion paint for the dash-accessory trim, AND IT peels and bubble. I am REALLY pissed about it. I scrape some off, sand a test area, and paint some Rustoleum. Same thing. Anyone have any ideas? The paint sticks well with any other trim part???? I got a mess now
Any ideas. Maybe a cloth covering. Does anyone have any pics as examples?
personally i would stay away from krylon. i would stick with duplicolor. thats what i used. scuff the surface with a red scuff pad. then wipe the whole thing down with alcohol and a clean cloth. keep using clean areas of the cloth until very little is coming up. then use the vinyl/fabric interior dye stuff.
http://www.duplicolor.com/products/vinyl.html
few light coats. and you should be good.
before:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u166/Zygoat_D/blazer/gagepod.jpg
after:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u166/Zygoat_D/blazer/gage_pod_power.jpg
been holding up just fine for about a year now.
as for the heater. there is a little door *inside* the box. you need to make sure that you put it back in the same way that it came out. take a pic of it before you remove it, then you will be able to refer back later.
Yeah, Ive been taking picture after picture. Plenty of refrences. Got to theater core finally.
As far as the dash trim peice(not the vinyl, the plastic), Anybody ever used just some fabric. I got this nice peice of fabic. If glued and cut right, I think'll be nice. Anyone seen this before?
I also want to do something with my guages, now that its out.
all that stuff works just the same on plastic.
No luck here. Im going to sand it all back down and start again. Maybe a much lighter first coat and then on
Wow. The interior is really coming together. Pics coming soon.
I finally have the box off for the heater core. Pretty hard to position this thing and put on the straps. Ifeel like Im an acrobat with my dash just barely out. I want to video this project, but my buddies arent feelin the cold. I wish I had a garage!!!!
Ok. Heater core finally installed. But now I am trying to figure out the hoses in the engine. Does it matter which one I put on, and if so, which one goes to which?????
Really need to figure this out. Thanks yall
Still cant figure out the hoses. Dont want to make a mistake. And when I do get that on right, I have to put some coolant in it, does it all primes itself when I start it up? Do I have to bleed the air out the lines somehow or will it bleed it self???????????????
Anyone?
it should bleed itself. the rad cap should be the highest point in the system. and all the air should go out though that.
Normally the hoses are different size diameter. I just put them back the way thry came off. If it's gonna be a while till I get back to it I mark them some how. And the air will bleed itself out.
Ok. Got the hoses on. But now it wont start. I feel like Im going back and forth. I cant figure it out now. It cranks, theres a spark, fuel primes. It started right before I installed heater core. What am I missing? what couldve happened????
spideyjected
02-11-10, 04:51 PM
I think you'd better check the fuel pressure...
Fuel pressure? How wouldve that happened? How do I check fuel pressure?
I dont get it. All I did was drain the coolant and install the heater core. I tried starting it up right after that and nothing. Its just cranks. What should I do first?
Here is an update on the interior after all was painted........http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab190/jjwlff/006.jpg
and sort-of after. Still needs more work of course
http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab190/jjwlff/018.jpg
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Not sure what it connects to, but I assure you, this was not connected when I took my truck down the road yesterday. So it cant be stopping me from getting my truck to run. But what does it go to? Was it just not plugged into anything and dropped when I pulled out my dash????????????
neo71665
02-11-10, 06:17 PM
Most of the time yellow wires and plugs in vehicles are for the airbags
Most of the time yellow wires and plugs in vehicles are for the airbags
X2.
chevybrat
02-11-10, 06:44 PM
Really dreading the heater core replacement when the time comes...Kudos to you for sticking to it and getting it done.
I wasnt so bad. Getting the hoses off and the heat box/cover was the hardest part. I took me about 6 hours altogether. Couldve done it faster.
I still cant start it though. Anyone have any idea why it wouldnt start? I just replaced the heater core.
And can anyone tell me which one of these relays is the fuel pump relay???
http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab190/jjwlff/017.jpg
lucky for you the interior in my truck is torn apart right now.
here is that yellow connector in my truck. (97)
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u166/Zygoat_D/blazer/P2110578.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u166/Zygoat_D/blazer/P2110581.jpg
I see that.....
What is it connected to?
idk. my guess would be an abs module. but thats just a guess.
Would a diagnosis meter tell me why my truck wont start?
spideyjected
02-11-10, 09:44 PM
When my first fuel pump went bad, it would start some times, and crank forever other times.
I bought a fuel pump relay that I wanted to try cuz I still cant figure it out why it wont start. Really hoping its not the fuel pump.
Anyone know where the fuel filter is?
Will the cooling system somehow stop this truck from starting?
Maybe something I could check on the wiring with my multimeter?
Any suggestions will be helpFULL!!
Thanks yall
I bought a fuel pump relay that I wanted to try cuz I still cant figure it out why it wont start. Really hoping its not the fuel pump.
Anyone know where the fuel filter is?
Will the cooling system somehow stop this truck from starting?
Maybe something I could check on the wiring with my multimeter?
Any suggestions will be helpFULL!!
Thanks yall
fuel filter is inside the drivers side frame rail behind the drivers door.
there should be a brown wire in the engine bay that had a "quick connect" type plug on it. give that 12v power and your pump should turn on if it works. the wire should be located at the rear of the engine compartment.
So, find the brown wire and connect directly to the battery?
Then see if the pump works? What do I hear or look for?
So, find the brown wire and connect directly to the battery?
Then see if the pump works? What do I hear or look for?
a fused jumper wire would be the best idea. listen for the pump running.
or hook up a fuel pressure tester and see if the pressure goes up.
How will it sound. Will it hurt it at all?
So run a wire to like a 15 amp fuse, then to the 'quick connector'(if I can find it), then listen for the pump?
Ok. It mustve been a bad fuel filter cuz it runs fine after I installed a new one.
So after a day of driving it, I realise no air comes from the vents. What did I install wrong?
And it smells like antifreeze again in the cab. Did I install the hose wrong? can anyone tell me which hose goes to what?
It sounds like bubbling coming from the heater core and it gets pretty hot. I let alot of air out. I mean, I jacked the front of the truck high and it burped pretty good, but I have these problems. Any suggestions? I think I may have put the hoses in the wrong spots, but Im not sure.
Thanks yall for all your help so far. Other than that, its running like a champ. Ready to lower it next
CowardlyDawg
02-15-10, 09:55 PM
Ok. It mustve been a bad fuel filter cuz it runs fine after I installed a new one.
So after a day of driving it, I realise no air comes from the vents. What did I install wrong?
And it smells like antifreeze again in the cab. Did I install the hose wrong? can anyone tell me which hose goes to what?
It sounds like bubbling coming from the heater core and it gets pretty hot. I let alot of air out. I mean, I jacked the front of the truck high and it burped pretty good, but I have these problems. Any suggestions? I think I may have put the hoses in the wrong spots, but Im not sure.
Thanks yall for all your help so far. Other than that, its running like a champ. Ready to lower it next
Its possible you did the hose wrong bro, man you just keep hittin problem after problem, almost as bad as me lol.
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