anyone who has an ls1 edit please read

[nomaboy]

where can i get it?
thanks

[XxInFaxX]

dont have it...but...

http://www.carputing.com/ (i think this is the offical site, but lookes n00bish!)

http://users.senet.com.au/~dtech/ls1menu.htm

[DROPPEDGMC]

honestly, you will be happier with hptuners.
it also come with loggin software, and it's cheaper than ls1edit
www.hptuners.com

[nomaboy]

dosn't look like they offer tuners for the 4.3 also asking i guess, 500 bucks for the program and another 150 for the cable.

[03 Rado]

Can I ask why on the edit or the likes???

[Maximus]

I have it and think it's great.I still don't understand all of it just perfect but LS1edit.com will be your friend.

[XxInFaxX]

I have it and think it's great.I still don't understand all of it just perfect but LS1edit.com will be your friend.

is it just a program you load onto your laptop? then you buy the cable?

[03 Rado]

Yes it is just a program. I have one on the laptop next to me. Thats why I questioned his reasoning in getting one. First it isnt easy and you can screw crap up REAL quick, second for a NA no cam etc motor a waste of time.

[nomaboy]

the one BIG reason i want it is because of torque management. that damn bug is starting to piss me off. i can feel the engine lose power when it shifts. i hate it. that is the "programmer" i know of that will get rid of it.

[XxInFaxX]

so what is stopping you from say, copying the cd, and buying the cable?


is there some fool proof activation required? i might be looking into this! lol

[nomaboy]

i think the program stores the vin of the car you program.

[03 Rado]

Yup its VIN locked!

[XxInFaxX]

ok, but they do give you a copy on CD correct? it cant write to it like that. only way that is possible is if you're required to give your vin when you buy it, they program it to that one copy of the software, and then when you plug the cable in, it checks the vin. i dunno about ordering it. is this how?

[03 Rado]

When I got some installing mine I had to use a email attachment they had to unlock it completely, once the code was added, it was vin locked. Activation of it is the key!

[joker2040]

hmm... I have been looking into one but I don't know. I need that cash and for that much I could buy brand new slicks which imo would help more for now.

[ZR1 S10]

I think you can use the cd over again. As far I as I know its the cable thats vin locked!

[03 Rado]

Its the program itself thats VIN locked, not cables etc. Once youve dowload the software to be able to do the actual edit you need them to unlock it with there code. Once the code is in it grabs the vin on the first read and write attempt and from that point on its locked. I could sell you the CD and you could download the software, but then you have to contact them to unlock it.
Edit and the likes dont do much for a NA motor, you need to be really modifying it in order to take full advantage of using it. You can just about correct for anything you want, but you really cant do much within the scope of a stock motor. You can get some timing and fuel added, but if you use programmers and see what they do, thats pretty much your extent. Yeah you could soften up knock sensor inputs, but why. The only advantage stock is being able to shut down air injection, which doesnt add any power or any pros, shut down EGR control and stuff like that. Now his torque management he is complaining about, yeah it does that too, but for much less he could have that taken out also. PCMs for less and Websters garage are the top 2 mail ins I would be using instead of a edit for something non cammed, non boosted etc and you can have that done for $250ish if thats all he wants.
Really the custom tuning should be left for wild mods and not NA. ANd its very hard to learn and it isnt just a tuner program needed. You must be able to understand and read complete data logging sessions so you can see where it skews from being where it should be. Novice users SHOULD stay away, really!

[Maximus]

When I bought my TA it came with it.The guy bought a cheap used laptop to use with the edit and when I bought the car I bought the laptop with edit on it already.It came with the OBDII cable,the Cable interface module,the RS-232 cable to hook to the laptop and the disk with software.I bought a nicer used laptop off Ebay and just reinstalled the software and all my batch files.I have the PCM locked version that you can only license from 1 to 4 PCM's.But you can buy the unlimited version for multiple vehicle use.I looked in to the unlimited and they offered it to me at a discounted price but it just isn't needed for me right now.Because I only have one vehicle to actually use it on with 3 more vehicle options if needed.And like 03Rado said unless you know what your doing you CAN screw up very badly.I have already done this once when I was trying to tune for the nitrous.I spent several hours on the phone between the guys at carputing and experienced programmers on LS2.com and LS1edit.com to fix my screw up.I thought I had really screwed the pooch bad for awhile till I finally got it fixed and running STRONG.And to be honest if you only have a slightly modded vehicle it really wouldn't be cost effective.Now if you are forced induction or have a worked over the engine than it would be very beneficial to you.Especially if you are adding displacement by either a stroker kit or V8 swap.Then I would say it's a must have.But just your typical bolt ons doesn't warrant the need of it.But like I said I'm still learning and I approach new programming very cautiously now since my screw up lol.

[ZR1-S10]

Yeah you really need to know what your doing. The dyno shop in my town uses LT1edit and LS1edit to tune and I going to have them take care of the programing once I add the 2114 manifold conversion and Wynjammer.

[nomaboy]

is there any programmer besides ls1 edit that will take care of TM. i don't really want to send my computer somewhere.

[Maximus]

I don't know of any hand held programmer that will remove TQ management totally.I am so glad I have a pre tq management auto so I don't have to deal with that crap.It should be a option to have not a standard.

[Hammer]

with ls1 edit, can't you upload or replace the f/a maps with new ones, and change the limits on the O2 readings, if you have a wideband O2? If you do bolt ons, like exhaust and intake and spend 500 doing it, I'd think the 500 on ls1edit would be well worth it, considering you pay that sometimes for a reflash....

if you have the laptop, then i think it's worth it, but i've never owned the program. I have spent some time researching it but never done a thing with it. You could also remove the rev limiter with it too....

[Maximus]

LS1 edit Engine Control features:
Limiters:




four Idle Speed Tables
Five RPM Limits
RPM limit By Gear Table
RPM Limit by Temperature
RPM Limit Delay

Fuel:



Fuel Air Ratio Table
Volumetric Efficiency Table
MAF calibration Table
Fuel Pressure versus voltage
Fuel Injector flow rate Manifold vacuum
Fuel injector Offset Table
Power Enrichment vs Temp Table
Power enrichment versus RPM Table
Wide Open Throttle Hot & Cold Tables
Closed Loop Enable vs Temperature

Timing:



High and Low Octane Spark Adv. vs RPM vs Load
Base Spark Advance in Gear, and In neutral Tables
four Knock retard Tables
3 Torque Management tables
6 Knock Learn Parameters
Maximum Torque Parameter

Engine Diagnostics:
You can change the mode of 64 different Diagnostic Tests

Transmission:
A4 Shift Speed




Normal Mode Shift Speed vs Throttle position for each Up and Down Shift
Performance Mode Shift Speed vs Throttle position for each Up and Down Shift
Wide Open Throttle Shift Parameters
A4 Shift Firmness



Force Motor Current vs Temperature vs Throttle Position
Desired Shift time vs Torque for each Up and Down Shift
Torque Reduction vs RPM
TCC lock tables



Normal Mode TCC lock speed for each gear by Throttle Position
Performance Mode TCC lock speed for each gear by Throttle Position
Cruise Mode TCC lock speed for each gear by Throttle Position
Normal Mode TCC release speed for each gear by Throttle Position
Performance Mode TCC release speed for each gear by Throttle Position
Cruise Mode TCC release speed for each gear by Throttle Position
M6 CAGS



Six control parameters

System



Fan Temperature
VATS disable

Speedometer



Gear and Tire size scaling
Speed Limiters

[Maxx]

I agree with Radio. I have been looking into it. Meant for major modified trucks. You cant do much more then a hpp3 on an N/A engine. If your planning for the future eg: supercharger , then get it. Cause getting a hand held flash programmer (hpp3) would be useless after the upgrades.

[xtreme lowpro]

my friend has it, i have, and about every fbody owner around here has a copy largely due to the fact that we burn them like crazy for anyone who wants it

[XxInFaxX]

my friend has it, i have, and about every fbody owner around here has a copy largely due to the fact that we burn them like crazy for anyone who wants it


and you activate them how? this is what i was inquiring about ealier! pirating the damn software!

[Hammer]

what is the rpm hold that occurs after you take the tranny out gear on a manual transmission with out using the clutch or the brake. it's like an rpm hold function or something. it also holds the rpms up while you are coasting say above 15mph, it will not drop below like 900rpms. i would love to DELETE that stupid thing, cause when i shift with no clutch i hate how the rpm's just hang until it realizes there is not engine breaking occuring or accelerating. for that matter i'd love to ditch the whole rpm hold or delay all together.

edit:

here's my point.
if you are going to go buy an hppIII or have a reflash done, you could almost go and buy software that can do the same things except far more for 1/3 more the cost. NO HPPIII is worth 300 dollars. I can see the price for ls1edit but the HPPIII's in my opinion are WAY OVER PRICED. you can't even screw with closed loop operation. from what i understand (i could be wrong) hppIII's only affect wide open throttle and minor minor adjustments in timing and they are MOSTLY for automatic tranny's to change shift points/firmness/etc. they are practically useless for 5 speed people.

edit 2:
furthermore, ls1edit isn't a one shot deal like a reflash or tune and it does soo much more than programmers for the money.

yes you need a laptop and a patch cord... if you don't have the laptop then the pricing is different and i could see the argument. truth is, I'd still go and get a laptop and ls1edit before i'd get a programmer like HPPIII

[Maximus]

There is a way to crack LS1 edit but I don't know how to do it.There are a few on other boards who have either done it or purchased it.But they don't really talk about it much because it pisses off the supporters of LS1 edit guys.I guess it's just like any other hacked software that needs a serial.If I had a vehicle that was compatable with LS1 edit and planned on future mods then yeah I would get it over any other programmer anyday.But for the regular daily driver with just a few mods it just wouldn't be cost effective.It is a very awesome tool though.

[nomaboy]

in fear that i will screw somthin up,( i have a history of doin this) i have opted to go with the crane powermax tuner. thanks for the info though.

[Maximus]

Don't go with the crane there have been a lot of problems reported about it.Try superchips or even the hpIII.

[03 Rado]

""""what is the rpm hold that occurs after you take the tranny out gear on a manual transmission with out using the clutch or the brake. it's like an rpm hold function or something. it also holds the rpms up while you are coasting say above 15mph, it will not drop below like 900rpms. i would love to DELETE that stupid thing, cause when i shift with no clutch i hate how the rpm's just hang until it realizes there is not engine breaking occuring or accelerating. for that matter i'd love to ditch the whole rpm hold or delay all together.""""""


Its not something the edit can deal with. Its a multiple function delay based of MAP readings showing semi load, VSS readings showing steady movement etc. Once youve braked, load changes and it begins to pick a new strategy for what it comprehends will be your next move. If it was to shut down and go completely to idle speed and you decided that you werent going to stop, it would more than likely backfire under the new load with bad timing. That one is very questionable to how it would be attacked.



""""here's my point.
if you are going to go buy an hppIII or have a reflash done, you could almost go and buy software that can do the same things except far more for 1/3 more the cost. NO HPPIII is worth 300 dollars. I can see the price for ls1edit but the HPPIII's in my opinion are WAY OVER PRICED. you can't even screw with closed loop operation. from what i understand (i could be wrong) hppIII's only affect wide open throttle and minor minor adjustments in timing and they are MOSTLY for automatic tranny's to change shift points/firmness/etc. they are practically useless for 5 speed people.

edit 2:
furthermore, ls1edit isn't a one shot deal like a reflash or tune and it does soo much more than programmers for the money.

yes you need a laptop and a patch cord... if you don't have the laptop then the pricing is different and i could see the argument. truth is, I'd still go and get a laptop and ls1edit before i'd get a programmer like HPP3"""

Here is my point.
It isnt easy
You can ruin your tune so it wouldnt run at all very easy and to have a dealer retune it back to stock isnt cheap.
Before and attempt of purchasing one surf the LS1 board, Tunercat board and the LS edit board and make every effort to try to understand what there taking about period. If they talking in Russian to your ideals, dont purchase one.
After a purchase, study, study , study and if the instruction still talk to you in Russian, sell it.

As far as a tuner for handheld use.
Crane offers a decent tuner with extra ablities which isnt too bad.
Jet's new unit has 3 tunes
HPP3 has 2-3 tunes
Superchips one tune
There are others, but will just add what else they can do.
Gears an Tires speedo recals
Top speed limiter
Can read codes and erase
Those alone are worth $250+.
It costs $149+ for a cheap decent code reader
$100 for recal units so take the price with a grain of salt since they do more than just tune so the tune part is $100 and thats really not bad for the 7-10 h.p. they may give.
It all depends on being mild NA or not. Go beyond normal exhaust, intake etc and you might need special tuning. Need just torque management done, Websters and PCM;s for less.
Want tuning but are afraid to screw it up? Every state in the US has at least 4 dyno shops that offer this service and that way its 100% correctly done since its being watched on the dyno for YOUR application. Here in Rochester we have 2 shops locally and one in Buffalo an in your Articles section someone was nice enough to make a pretty decent list of dyno shops throughout the US that is missing some, but gives you an idea on where to look!!!

[nomaboy]

already have superchips and i dont like it. not enough tuning options. plus with the crane cams tuner will enable to let me tune for my cam.

[snowsurfer]

Prior to installing my Supercharger I used a HPP3. It had moderate gains and many limitations but was really simple to use. I've since have gone to LS1 edit and it's a whole new world, lots to learn but very flexible in what you can do to the PCM. The program is locked to a vin and it comes with the OBD11 hookups. You can purchase a hookup from Speartech also but not the program. If someone can unlock the program I have an extra Speartech cable that I bought...I first went to a custom tune and have since been experimenting on my own. Quite alot to learn but there are alot of helpful forums available...

[Maximus]

I got a email from carputing that LS2edit was almost ready to be sold.But this isn't the first one they have sent me saying this.After I see it's been out a bit and some other people have used it then I might go ahead and get it.I have been hearing a lot of GTO guys are using the Diablo sport tuner and getting good results.Then some have said it's not as good as LS1edit so who knows.

[Mr Bravada]

i have been looking at Tunnercat as well at another forum and there seems to be a growing following for that as well, the two are similar correct? there seems to be a great deal of positive feedback on that program...

[viper500hcp]

maximus, what problems have you heard about the crane, ive had it running on my Blazer for about 3 months now, and nothing bad has come from it, only a more enjoyable ride outta my behemoth

[Maximus]

It was from someone on here but can't remember.If it's working great then I wouldn't worry.

[nomaboy]

i remember a few people saying the crane tuner didn't want to tune at first. i had no problems with mine from the start so maybe they fixed it.

[Sparky2263]

Crane doesn't have %100 percent of programs apparently. Myself and one other person had to send ours back. Great cust. svc., great turnaround time. No complaints here as it has the most tuning options avail.