Need space.

[indigo s10]

What is the best way to remove the bracket that hold the jack behind the seat? My wife is getting me 2 10's for Christmas, and I need the space.

[T Man]

i used a holesaw to cut the plug welds out then used a chisel to remove the bracket

[indigo s10]

Thanks. I might try a shorter box(long ways) and mount the amp above the jack. I want to keep it in site because the end caps are going to be painted the same color as the truck, so I might be able to squeak by. If not, here comes mister Sawsall.

[Sparky2263]

Do like T Man suggested and drill the spot welds. Small holes are much easier repaired than big holes. ;)

Think there is like 6 spot welds.

[T Man]

mine only had 3, and a bead of epoxy around the edge.

[indigo s10]

I caught a lucky break. My amp will fit behind the seat, on top of the jack cover. I just have to get a box that fits between the cover and the other wall of the cab. I only need 1.2 cubic feet of air space, so this shouldn't be a problem. Thanks again for the advise.

[T Man]

You "only" need 1.2 cubic feet of airspace? Thats a farily big box to stuff behind the seat of a Std cab truck without moving the jack tie down. Im thinking that is about how big mine is

http://www.s10planet.com/gallery/data/500/10PSU_Dragracing_004.JPG

[indigo s10]

This is what I have in mind, without the little piece that hangs out.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/vortechead/box.jpg
It's 14" high, 5.5" top depth, 8.5" bottom depth, 50" wide(including the little overhang) and has a 6" mounting depth.
These are the subs I'll be using http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/ez2rockford/ModelInfo/ModelInfo.asp?ItemKey=10065590&CategoryDesc=Punch%20Subwoofers
The amp I'm using is thin enough to sit on top of the jack cover. Once I have everything in hand, I'll test fit. If I need to I'll remove the jack cover. I ran to 10" XLC's in a box just like this and they sounded great, even with the crappy amp I had. I'm gonna stop at Audio Visions tomorrow on the way home from work and talk to them. They are an authorized Fosgate dealer, so they should be able to tell me if that box will work, if not, I might have them custom build me one.

[T Man]

Just my opinion, but for my dollar, a better sub can be bought than the P2's. I worked in a shop that sold them, and was NEVER happy with the way they sounded. Better than the P1's, granted, but still, not the best.

[indigo s10]

Just my opinion, but for my dollar, a better sub can be bought than the P2's. I worked in a shop that sold them, and was NEVER happy with the way they sounded. Better than the P1's, granted, but still, not the best.
Suggestions? The only subs I've ever used were RF's. I know a friend had Audiofiles, some other friends swear by JL Audio. I had good luck with my Fosgates. What was your complaint with yours? I haven't bought them yet, so I might explore other speakers.

[T Man]

For the same price, (actually a little cheeper) a set of JL10w0's will pound the hell out of your truck. They seemed tighter in response in a sealed box for everything from rock to rap to country. And they sound great, underpowered or overpowered.

[indigo s10]

I think AudioVisions sells JL also. While I'm there I'll listen to what they've got and see what I like. If they sound close, and the price is that much different, that is what will make my decision. Thanks for the info.

[baggedandcaddied]

hey i would also go with the JL subs just for the facts that like Tom said they sound great and can take alot more power than what they say the max it. I was running 2 W0 10s in my standard cab and hit 142 db which is not to bad for the power of the subs but i was also running over 400 watss each to them

[baggedandcaddied]

Oh i forgot Rocker is an ok brand but the P series is not a good sub the basket covers a held on by magnets and they rattle the T1 is a better sub but i am not sure of the specs JL all the way

[T Man]

jeez aaron, learn to type. Anyway, yeah, thats two votes for the w0's

[indigo s10]

I went today and heard the difference. They had test room with 6 Fosgates and 5 JL's. The 5 hit harder. I know a couple of dealers have big sales for Christmas and New Year(which is when I'm going to buy) so the RF's will have to beat the price of the JL's. If they don't, I'm buying JL's. Thanks again for the info guys. Oh yeah, they were JL W2's.

[baggedandcaddied]

Are you sure of the W2 or are they W1 V2
i dont think that JL is making the W2

[indigo s10]

Maybe that's it. The guy said W2 maybe he just said the wrong thing.

[baggedandcaddied]

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=17
is that what they looked like

[indigo s10]

To be honest, now I don't remember if they were silver or black. I'm going tomorrow to Stereo One to see what they have, and to check their prices. For you guys with JL's, are the power ratings on JL's site accurate, or are they underated?

[T Man]

I think they are underrated.

[indigo s10]

I think so to. I looked up the ratings and the Fosgates are rated higher, but the JL's I heard the other day hit a little harder.

[T Man]

RF=Junk unless you go to their high end subs

[baggedandcaddied]

Yes the JL's are under rated i was running over 400 watts to them and it took almost a year to notice any problems

[indigo s10]

Which JL's were you using?

[T Man]

ive had a 10w3v2 and 2 10w0's one of which is goin bck in my truck next week sometime

[indigo s10]

Well, I went to Stereo One today, and between you guys and what they said, I'm going with JL's. But, they are going to be 8w3's instead of 10's, and I'm having a ported box built. The guys told me I would get a better sound, and I agree with what you guys were saying about th JL's. The Fosgates hit harder, but they give up sound quality, at lower frequencies especially to do so. Thanks again for the great advice. Once this is a done deal, I'll get pics.

[baggedandcaddied]

why ported? i am not a fan of ports at all makes for some weird sound quality

[indigo s10]

This is what Stereo One recommend, and since the price is the same either way, so I'll let them do what they are paid to do. I went in and told them what I was looking for, and this is what they recommended.

[JONGO8]

What do You guys do with the speekers in the back. Mine make noise and I want new ones but they are some werd size. Will 6x9's fit?? I have a 1996 gmc Sonoma ext. cab.
I have found stock ones but they suck. I need some good speekers that will fit.

[indigo s10]

Well, I went to Stereo One. I have never been jerked around so much in my life. They lied to me about what would work, and then tried to sell me a set of component speakers for 400.00 bucks. So, I went to Best Buy and bought a pair of Kenwood 6 1/2's for the doors, and .75 inch tweeters. I run this for a while, then upgrade my head unit, and then get a 10, and build my own box. The problem was, they wanted to gut my truck, then pull my seat half way up. I'm 6'1", so it was very uncomfortable.

[T Man]

JL's sound like **** with a ported box. Tell them to stuff it up their ass, and get a sealed box.

[fastSdime]

Do you have buckets or a bench? I worked for Audio Junction here. And I can go get demensions for a perfect box for you thru them. I would go with the 8W0 or 3 to it will give you a lot more room. Hell I have a buddy here that has 4 of the 6 1/2 subs and they actually hit harder then I ever thought. If you have buckets "I" would get one 8W7 and put it between the seats firing back with 1 jl 250/1 and you will hit harder then most people that have multi sub systems in there truck.

[baggedandcaddied]

thank you tom

[fastSdime]

JL's sound like **** with a ported box. Tell them to stuff it up their ass, and get a sealed box.

No sub sounds like **** in the "right" ported box for the sub. And JLs hit twice as hard in a ported box then they do in a sealed. why do you think damn near all W7 subs get sold in a ported box. And now days ported boxes aren't just round holes with some PVC behind it. A slot port barely has any port noise. And when a ported box is properly sized and tuned to the optimum ported alignment for the sub in hand it will sound great...

[T Man]

the problem is you have to have a damn degree to tune a port correctly. True, in the correct ported box, it will sound good, at a certan frequency, and be so so across the rest of them, but in a single sub setup, especialy with a small sub, like a w0 or a w3, porting is kinda lost on them. now a w6 or better it is a different story

[fastSdime]

I disagree again.. Man I was a installer of JL for 3 years at Audio J. And I heard a lot more better sounding boxes that where ported then sealed. Plus it depends on what you listen to. And it isn't that hard anymore to figure out what a port should be at. As long as you have a computer its actually very simple.

[indigo s10]

That's why I'm going to hold off for now on the sub. It looks like I might also be getting a new head unit. My wife and I are saving to buy a house, so I don't want to spend a ton on my stereo right now. I am kind of kicking myself for not getting a head unit first, because I was going to have to do more wiring when I got it later. I was going to have them install it because the truck is still under warranty, and if the cd player quit, I could blame the installer. I'm going to wait till the warranty runs out(1 more year) then get a sub. I might even wait a little longer, save up some cash, and get a Rockford power series, or a JL 10w7.

[indigo s10]

Do you have buckets or a bench? I worked for Audio Junction here. And I can go get demensions for a perfect box for you thru them. I would go with the 8W0 or 3 to it will give you a lot more room. Hell I have a buddy here that has 4 of the 6 1/2 subs and they actually hit harder then I ever thought. If you have buckets "I" would get one 8W7 and put it between the seats firing back with 1 jl 250/1 and you will hit harder then most people that have multi sub systems in there truck.
I have a 60/40 split. I'm not in a big hurry. I got in a hurry, and almost did something stupid. The thing that got me the most was, Stereo One used to be great. Now, if your not there to spend 600.00 bucks or more, they want to use the cheap, pre-fab boxes, and cheap wire. Like I said, though, when the warranty runs out, I'm gonna do it right. The guy that helps me do all my stereo stuff, once put a cd player in a Nissan I had, while we were going 75 down the interstate, so I think we will be able to get it done more to my liking than Stereo One. When I start, what's the best material to use to build the box?

[fastSdime]

Yea I have been there done that.. Wiring a system up while on the highway to a USAC comp. Ahhh the good ole days.. LOL Yea take your time.. I'm rebuilding my stereo right now. I'm going with 2 13W7s in the bed using a slot port box thru a blow thru. With two 1000/1. (man I can't wait till tax returns) I have Focal highs, and a Clarion Pro Audio CD player with a 450/4 to run the highs.