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Sparky2263
03-10-06, 08:13 PM
Copied from May 2004 issue of Hot Rod Magazine;

" The necessity of the quarter mile....

Forget about these namby-pamby cars with balanced performance, cornering prowess, braking acumen and all those other slide-rule sensibilities that have nothing to do with making fire, noise and smoke and going scary quick in a straight line. Thank God and nitrous oxide for your redneck American right to unabashed dragstrip violence, and to practice it often.

At least that's my mood today. See, as editor of the worlds biggest performance rag, there's a certain expectation that I'll have an attitude and direction of well-rounded performance, and my prolonged exposure to the do-it-all-but-do-it-mildly genre has certainly piqued my interest--so much so that I'd love to build a handling car. Yet what I want is a barefisted, amenity-free, apex-wrecking musclecar that makes those wine-and-cheese sporty racers demand that I go home and don't come back. Putting even more kink in the sport, in a few months I'll reveal my vision of an all-out cornering '34 three-window. So, bluster aside, I'm immodest to admit that I'm wholly intrigued by handling and have followed the carrot of new and interesting technology that I think HOT ROD should continue to share with you.

But it's hard-core street-car drag racing that brought me into the hobby, and I want it back.

It struck me months ago that there's a subtle conspiracy among some aftermarket industry insiders to oust the cretins who favor sick horsepower, as if comfort and driveability are far nobler behaviors. Even in competing magazines, I often read finger-wagging admonitions to always pick the weenie cam, the tinier carb, the smaller headers and the dual-plane intake. That's all well and good for a daily driver-but how many of us are really driving our musclecars every day anymore? Praise to those who do, but if you're gonna rarely roll the odo, you might as well have some serious cackle under the big toe. Visit the Detroit or Chicago street scene sometime. Those guys know what I'm talking about. Thing is, people keep telling me that no one really wants to go drag racing anymore. That you don't see 10-second cars on Power Tour. That Edelbrock sells more Performers than Victors and that Comp peddles more hydraulics than solid rollers. "Torque is what moves the car," and such.
(paragraph on the pump gas drags.....)

.........Is quarter mile where it's at? Decide for yourself and let us know.

David Freiburger"

I was at the dyno the other day listening in on a conversation I've heard all too often.....

"I wanna burn away from the stoplight...."

"You'll need lower gears...."

"But that'll hurt my mileage"

"I need more horsepower up top...."

" You need a solid cam and a single plane intake...."

" But that'll hurt low speed driveability..."

" Then get a stall converter"

"That'll kill my mileage also..."

"Then............go play golf or something....."


Just thought I'd get some convo going. ;)

T Man
03-10-06, 08:16 PM
1320 is where the sport began, you want cornering, build a stockcar

jjwalker
03-10-06, 08:24 PM
I have tuned my truck for auto-cross and I LOVE it. Screw going in a straight line as the corners and turn give me a rush. I like the fact i can do a 60* turn at 65mph and not slide off the road in my s15.

I will own all of you in turns....wanna bet?

T Man
03-10-06, 08:43 PM
Yup, ill bet you against sparky.

indigo s10
03-10-06, 09:53 PM
I like a vehicle that turns good, but I like to be slammed to the seat. Give me a straight line performer any day. I was at FastLane classic cars the other day(like a retard at the Chucky Cheese) I was drooling over this
http://fastlanecars.com/vehicle_detail.asp?inventory_id=564
and this
http://fastlanecars.com/vehicle_detail.asp?inventory_id=647

Sure there were cars that were fast like Vettes and Vipers, but the skinnies up front and HUGE meat in the back stirs my blood.

Sparky2263
03-12-06, 01:14 PM
Raw, unabashed horsepower, cackling through 2 3" pipes, shaking the **** out of the vehicle, cranking out more dB's than any stereo known to man, belching those sweetly obnoxious fumes, holds no parallel.

I've built 'em both ways, many times. Sure, the GTO is a fun ride. Decent handling, 290 hp to the ground and mild mannered. But, the Monte, grunting and groaning at the hit, ready to lay down 600 hp for 9 or 10 seconds, carrying the front wheels for 30-40 feet makes the GTO pale in comparison. And still street legal. Kinda........... ;)

T Man
03-12-06, 02:53 PM
290 in a stock as a rock LS1......aint bad, aint bad at all

northcoastrides
03-12-06, 11:11 PM
I hear you guys.I love both straight line and cornering I've worked on both.it's all G force just applied differently.My boss's son runs in Busch North,I crewed his Pro Stock team for about 4 years and I worked at Rowe Machine (Dragster and custom bike chassis builder) for 2 years .While I was in circle track I noticed it ,but it was when I was around the drag racers that it was most apparent just how much time and effort goes into satisfying the hunger for pure G force .A funny car driver said it best when I quetioned him on it."It's like a drug you always need more ,when your doing 10 seconds you want to run 9's when your in the 9's you have to make it into the 8's and so on " They spend countless hours and huge sums of $ to spend less time doing the thing they love.The average driving time in a season total about 15 minutes. Circle track isn't much different instead of rebuilding the motor every week (if your lucky) you have to rebuild the body weekly can you tell I was the body/chassis man.I started thinking I would rather have some thing I can use more on a daily bassis and since I don't have the deep pockets of those people I'll have to settle for a fast street ride.There are two types of people in racing those who can afford it (Drivers and owners) and those who dream of it (crew) I think SCCA makes a little mors sense you get to turn more than one direction and don't wreck as often but then ya gotta love the sound of a huge cam crackleling at the starting line and all that horse power doing a bleach run or the smell of VP fuel being burnt by 20 to 40 high horse power cars speeding around a tight track creating a vortex of sight smell and sound that excites all of the senses .Whether your behind the wheel in the pits or in the stands once it gets in your blood the need for speed has to be addressed........I guess it's where the passion lies and the wallet can afford that determines where we apply it, so heres to hoping we all can explore our passions for a long time to come....

Sparky2263
03-13-06, 09:07 AM
290 in a stock as a rock LS1......aint bad, aint bad at all

Stock except for a tune from Jeremy out of Tampa. He squeezed an extra 10hp out of it, got rid of the torque management and a few other goodies to make it more race friendly.

Sparky2263
03-19-06, 11:10 PM
Speaking of the GTO, took it to Orlando this past weekend. 13.55 @ 102.4 stock except for a flash tune and K&N cold air set-up.

Previous best (BONE-stock) was 13.93 @ 99.8

Torque management SUCKS!

.....used to anyway ;)

Sparky2263
04-16-06, 02:37 PM
Got the GTO to a 13.46 and the Monte to a 9.82@136.7, that's a personal best for me. Got a vid of the pass. I'll put a link up a bit later.

I think the Monte combo in the Blazer will pull a 9.50. We'll have to see.

Joker2040
04-16-06, 02:41 PM
Snap.... I've got to see this video.

Sparky2263
04-16-06, 08:25 PM
Couldn't get the video to load so I em'd it to you Mike. Here's the time slip though.

"Go to Tech!" means a) I'm not licensed to go faster than 10 flat and b) the car is not certified to go faster than 134.99 mph. Oops.

http://www.s10planet.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2218&stc=1

Joker2040
04-16-06, 08:47 PM
Here is the video:
http://s10planet.com/forum/SPARKYS/sparky.avi

indigo s10
04-16-06, 10:48 PM
That's awesome Sparky.

j894
04-16-06, 11:00 PM
Nice! bye bye subaru!

haha

Sparky2263
04-17-06, 10:51 AM
I thought those WRX's were supposed to do like 13's or so?

T Man
04-17-06, 02:33 PM
I hope he brought his wood screws, because your blew his doors plumb off

j894
04-17-06, 02:58 PM
the WRX STI runs in the 13s, hehe....
not faster enough