Increaseing HP and Mileage

[gold2200flex]

As I understand it. I could add a wynjammer supercharger and upgrade the fuel system to keep my eng. from leaning out. Then I could upgrade the rest of my intake and my Whole exhaust from the header on back and still be legal pretty much. My gas mileage would decrease slightly and my low RPM HP and Torque would increase dramatically. So if I wanted to I could bolt on a new and tougher tranny that has a 5th gear ratio that would enable my engine to idle along @ about 2000-2500 rpm @ 75 mph (like the big V8s do) instead of the 3500 rpm like it does right now. So... since I hear that after the fuel upgrade I would loose around 2 mpg. After I change the tranny out I could theoretically achieve some gas mileage that would rival that of any hybrid CAR. I recently took a road trip and while cruising at around mainly 75-80 mph (occasionally shooting up until my gov would kick in) and running my AC the whole time; I achieved an avg mpg of 32. Normally with mixed driving of mostly HWY driving I get around 26 or 27. This is my first post ever so I am sure that I have left myself open for attack on several levels. I don't really care though lol. Does any of this sound to you guys like it might be possible? What would be a good tranny to use that would be dependable for towing and over the life of the vehicle? Anything and everything would be very much appreciated.

[xtreme canuck]

i have a wynjammer and if i don't rag it i get every bit as good if not better then stock mileage . the place where you will notice the big gain in hp is on the top end of the powerband because that is where you make the most power with the s/c not the low end. you dont have to upgrade your fuel system either , mine isn't lean at all with the stock components .

later

[gold2200flex]

PS the only things that I definatally know that I do not want to do is.....


1. Put on bigger tires.
A. Cost more than stock size and the ones I have right now are perfectly good tires.
B. Decreases the amount of HP and TQ at the wheels
a. affects take-off
b. affects towing
c. affects brakeing
d. stresses the whole drive train more than it already is/or will be
e. etc etc etc
2. Change the gear ratio in the rear diff.
A. would do pretty much all of the same things as adding bigger tires except affecting the brakes and would be cheaper than the cost of all 4 tires.
3. Bore out the exhaust ports on the head.
A. I believe that the engineers who desighned this made those so small so that it would create some sort of back pressure to keep the valves from chipping if some tuners (us) were to eliminate the entire exhaust system backpressure by replaceing the whole system. OR if I were to remove all of that metal I would live in constant fear that I had lowered the structural integrity of the whole head somehow.
4. Upgrade anything other than the spark plug and wires within the ignition system.
A. Let's face it... It is not really all that cost effective in this particualar application. The wires would look cool with the SC though and a set of Denso iridium plugs doesn't require as much spark anyway.
5. The only internals I would consider is a set of slightly re-desighned titanium valves and heavier-duty piston rings. Anything else would cause more trouble than I am willing to go through with plus might effect the internal balance of the engine. I like it when things go smooth. hehe

Does this sound cool or what?

[gold2200flex]

thanks xtreme canuck. So did you notice any increase at all with the low end torque? I heard that the wynjammer was a forced induction style so that it was at max boost already at around 1500 rpms. Has the wynjammer been very reliable for you so far? How many miles do you have on the system so far?

[xtreme canuck]

i have 7500 miles on the system and it has been great. the performance ia a little better on the lower end but if you expect a huge increase you will be disappointed. it really increases at 3500 to 6000 , that is where you make your boost. at 1500 it isn't making enough boost to say it is on there. it is a centrifical system that is a good bang for the buck. i especially like it because this isn't my daily driver so if something were to happen i can just park the truck until i find time to fix it.
best fuel gains you can make with your truck is headers / catback exhaust / cold air intake , also does not sacrifice reliability .

[gold2200flex]

thanks again xtreme canuck. So do you think that if I were to add enough little bolt-ons and stuff to gradually increase some of the torque down low on the bottom end... that my little 4 banger would even be able to handle that gear ratio that I am considering about going after? I know that there have been some pretty weak trucks in the past and that it technically should be able too but I honestly have no idea as to how well it would handle it. Not to forget to mention that with my job I have to frequently move and I occasionally get to go on a road/fishing trip with a boat. I know that my truck pulls somewhere within reason right now so I think that it should be ok after all is said and done.

PS does anyone know if there is any way for me to be able to just simply tear apart my tranny and just simply throw on a different gear ratio for my 5th gear? I know that I like to save money! My stock tranny is tough enough to handle the kind of power I am looking for too. I would need to eventually beef up the clutch too though.

Thanks

[gold2200flex]

Ok. Here is a pick I just remembered that I had saved from a while back. I believe that it is a before and after pic. on a 2.2 that had a wynjammer installed. I know that the pic. is ridiculously fussy right now but maybe you guys can still make it out. I should have blown it up larger before I saved it. Anyhow; it is what had originally inspired me to do all of this build up that I am planning on doing right now. If you can make it out it shows an increase from about 25 rwtq @ 1500 rpm tooo about somewhere around 95 rwtq @ 1500 rpm. This is of course after beefing up pretty much everything that had to do with the intake and exhaust. If this is true and I do succeed.... I might have one of the first trucks that can run on E85 and still be capable of getting hybrid gas milage at the same time. Not to mention that I would have the same amount of torque on hand that could rival that of a VW 1.9L turbo diesel. lol JK kind of (maybe same fuel mileage on the HWY though)
I am about to go and start on some job training so it may be a few months before I return. I will have some money saved up by then maybe.
Thanks

[sdime03]

With all of the mods i have done to mine i keep up with alot and lose to some...i can slightly outrun a silverado w/ a v8...there is a straight away by my house right before my drive way...bone stock i could hit 60 if i was lucky, now i hit 82...big improvement...i also have 15x8's i believe all the way around...i'd say stick with 15's and just go wider...it does not affect my take off/towing or stopping....yesterday i raced 3 s10's and tore a new bung hole in all of them...i'd say if you get the wynjammer also get:180* T-stat,ignition,atleast a 56mm trottle bodie, P&P the head and intake manifold and port match it, bigger valves maybe even bore it like .010 over if felt needed and a elec fan...all of that should get you somewhere between 180-250rwhp....also if the S/C has a pulley simply put a tooth or 2 bigger pulley on it and get higher boost...try horsepowerfreaks.com there is alot of hard to find 2.2 parts on there...search for patriot 2.2L heads....they have fully ported polished and bigger valved heads...summit used to have rods for the 2.2 in the sport compact section...even try cavalier parts...a turbo would be a much much more effective way to go since it's spun by the exhaust gasses instead of a belt or w/e the wynjammer uses...hope that helps some

[sdime03]

Also stock has 25 rwtq????? i dont believe it...i know mine has ALOT more than that...i can spin the tires over w/o trying i can also floor it in first at 20mph and brake loose its real fun to floor it while im turning

[gold2200flex]

LOL no not 25 max rwtq. Just at 1500 rpm. I can spin out really easy in first second and sometimes third too if i do it right. Stock I would guss that the max rwtq would be around 120 ft/lbs or so. That isn't all that bad either considering that the 4.3 eng is almost twice the size (displacement) and doesn't have anywhere near twice the torque. So as far as that aspect goes... our little engines are doin' pretty good I guess.

[gold2200flex]

Thanks for that info though. So I hope you see what I am about to type and that you are able to answer all of my Qs. lol

I agree with you on that wider tires. They look great when they are wide and make for some better traction. The only side effect that I could think of from that way would be the dent in the wallet and some possible hydroplaining. Who honestly cares about that though when you can look good And grip good at the same time.
1. I noticed that you say that you have a 2.3L. How exactly did you come up with that #? Is it a different engine or some extra volume from one of your modifications?
2. I would love to open up the whole front end of my engine while makeing it easier to work on and also freeing up some power at the same time. Where could I get a set (duel) of reliable E-fans at a great price? Would a new fan shroud come with those or would I need to make one myself? If so then how?
3. Are those Patriot 2.2L head known for being very reliable?
4. Do you know if there is an electric locking rear diff. upgrade that is available for our trucks yet? I know that would help a ton off road and while pulling the boat out at the boat ramp. It would be more reliable than a limited slip too with less maintenance and more strength.
5. Do you know which header manufacturor focuses more on the low end performance rather than the high end performance?
6. Does anyone know if the colorado 4 bangers 5spd tranny would bolt right up to ours? I know that transmmission would be able to handle anything our trucks can pump out. That 2.8L pumps out either 185 or 195 hp. I also noticed when I test drove one a while back that it was idleing down the interstate like I am after. Right at about 2500 rpm. That is why that much larger engine is able to get almost the same mileage as our little engines.

Thanks

[gold2200flex]

I have a seriouse question. It has been bothering me for a while and I have not been able to find any threads that completly answer it. Since i have a FLEX FUEL vehicle.... I heard that my stock fuel pump and injectors are fully capable of handling what I plan on doing. Is this true? If so then what all parts of my fuel/computer/sensor system do I have to change? Will my stock computer's program be just fine?

Thanks

[sdime03]

1. If your talking about my signature i do not have a 2.3 i have a 2.2 with a grand am quad 4 2.3L throttle body
2.You can pick up fans anywhere...i have a carolla and a yugo fan on mine they work very well and hasnt reached 210* is 95* weather and packed in traffic...You will need to mount them i decide to hard mount mine instead of using the "radiator zip ties" you might have to pull the rad. it would be best..and MAKE SURE that you mount them pulling if your gonna put them infront of the motor to where you c an see them...it would suck to have them pushing while wind is trying to blow threw them....also MAKE SURE you have about a 1/4 between the fans and radiator...trust me that was $160 down the drain...you can also pick up a adjustable fan switch from autozone made by torg for 20 bucks
3.I'm not sure, just about anytime you modify something from factory it always risks a higher percent of failure
4.Yea i think there is try summitracing.com or jeggs.com
5.Umm since there is only kamakazee headers that are the best made right now i have to say no....DO NOT i repeat DO NOT! use a pacesetter header they will warp and rust really quick....you can probably have a performance shop build you one for what you want
6.I doubt that it does....honestly it's mainly about the gears in the differential....check you glove box codes mine is a GT4 which = 3.73's if i put in 3.43's mileage will go up.....hint the lower the ratio the more milage and top speed.....the higher ratio the lower mileage and lower top speed but you have more of a take off....2 stock 2.2 1 with 3.73's and 1 with 4.10's the one with the 4.10 will beat it out of the hole but the one with 3.73's would catch up and pass him.....OOOOHHHHHHH i thought you meant max lol mine has aqlot more than that at 900rpm's i can pop the clutch at idle and it will bark...mine will bark 3rd no prob on dry pavement and kick it on wet...i cant get traction worth a chit when it's wet... i have sat there spinning in 3rd until the tires got real hot to get some traction before....last night i raced my fiance in her 3.1 lumina....HONESTLY i would have won but i couldnt catch traction for crap....when i finally did get it we were tire to tire...didnt move at all until we slowed down....basically saying i have about the same oomph as a 3.1 which is good for just 700 bucks in bolt ons....if i add up the manufactures gains from the stuff i have done i have 190hp but i think its more like 170hp...so basically i have a 2.2L H/O lol...i BURN stock 2.2's...I'm not sure about your flex fuel question but if it was me i'd ditch it and switch to non flex unless your gonna use e-85....i wish i could find some down here.....i have a non flex and with the power adders i get about 30-40 mpg and thats babying it if im on it i get around 25....everyday i drive 100 miles at 2600 rpm's which is between 60-65 and i can go for 4 days until i need gas.... it has been 2 days and i have went some other places after school and i'm on 1/2 tank now....If you know where its at i can drive from Talladega Alabama to Nashville Tn. and get there on 1/2 tank and thats about 315 miles which is damn good for a domestic 2.2....i hope my info has helped some....sorry for the rambling on.....Oh yea here's a pic of MY custom shroud that i made from aluminum that i got for FREE! in which you can too
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e148/03dirtydime/underhood2.jpg

[T Man]

Considering you lose approx 44% through a stock automatic trans... you arent looking at much to start out with. The 2.2 is a tough motor to mod only because there are no parts for it out there. I know people use the 2.3l TB from the Pontiacs to get a little more air in, and headders and exhaust with CAI, but other than that it gets to be a game of too much investment with too little return. You will probably say that you want to be different and do it, more power to you, but im just saying that in the long run, the 2.2 was made for fuel economy, not for power, you want power, find a bigger motor.


I highly doubt you are pushing 170 even to the flywheel. Bolt ons are rarely good for 70+hp. Sorry. Ill bet you are maybe in the 140's at the fly.

[sdime03]

Since you dont belive it get me a dyno....i'm not exactly sure about how much i'm putting out that's just a guess and the nearest dyno is 3 hours away and i'm not gonna drive that far just to see how much i have...i'm not trying to be an ass but i toy with the stock 2.2's manual or auto which the auto is sort of a joke. I raced a 2.2 with full exhaust and no bed (goofy looking weight reduction) and i beat him like a 4 year old in wallmart.....we were going 40 he down shifted to 3rd so he's slightly pulling away and looking at me so i down shift to 4th get beside him and he has this confused look on his face then finally at 60 i drop it into 3rd...barked it in his ear and left him...so at the next light he ask's if i have a 4.3 i simply said no it's a 2.2......i also raced a 2.2 auto (FREAKING SLOW) i was at 1/2 throttle shifting at 3000 rpm's until i got bored with him and dropped it into 3rd at 50....The 2.2's are a torqy lil s.o.b. my torque range is from 1500 rpm's-4500 rpm's after 4500 its nothing more then just about a stock 2.2......the manual 2.2 lost by about 5 lengths the auto lost by atleast 10

[95sdime]

hey, how much is the wynjammer? is it pretty easy to install?

lemme know please

thanx

[gold2200flex]

Go to www.wynjammer.com/ALM/S10_2.html (http://www.wynjammer.com/ALM/S10_2.html) . It has the price along with some other stuff you can get from them too.

[gold2200flex]

Oh and as far as hooking it easily goes... I heard that it is pretty much just like another bolt on. Just take extra precaution to ensure that the belt is lighned up properly. (I would get a spare belt or two to keep in the trunk just in case) Then have it towed to a nearby Dyno tuner facility. I hear that our stock fuel system can handle the system just fine as is. I would rather give it a setup to make it run slightly rich though. Just to get some extra ponies and to make sure that the upper cylinder can keep cool under tough conditions. You shouldn't notice much of a difference in gas mileage though either because you will have so much more power to get through all those gears a whole lot faster. Maybe a drop in 2 mpg at highway speeds though.

[gold2200flex]

Thanks sdime03 and T Man. Anything and everything is always going to be helpful.

I also hove some new news on my preference on the different types of oil availible. I have tried Castrol Syntec, Royal Purple, Mobile 15,000 mile, then at about 7,000 into the 15,000 miles... I switched back to Royal Purple.
Castrol Syntec-- The cheapest of the three with a 7500 mile change interval. When switched from plain oil I noticed a decent increase in acceleration and slight decrease on engine noise.
Royal Purple-- The most expensive of all. With a 12,000 oil change interval. When I changed to this I noticed a even larger increase in take-off and engine smoothness than what the castrol oil did for my engine.My engine even started to take longer to heat up and when it did heat up it was running about 10 degrees cooler! I liked this oil a lot. A whole lot. However I am a penny pencher sometimes. So I tried the following oil.
Mobile 15,000 Mile-- This oil was about 1 or 1.5 dollars cheaper per qt than the royal purple. It's change interval is... well.... 15,000 miles. lol As soon as I pulled out of my driveway after switching... I noticed that my engine was knocking lightly. I assumed that it must just have been because the oil had not yet reached my valve system yet. It went away for about 3-5 thousand miles. My horsepwer seemed to decrease and tq too. My engine was running warmer too. One day at around 7 thousand miles... my engine began knocking really loudly. So in desperosity I did the following.
Royal Purple-- I switched back. The knocking went away and I pulled a super heavy 3-4 thousand lbs boat up and over a mountain sence then too. Way past what my limit is supposed to be. Sure my little engine wasn't fast but luckily it didn't have to be. The speed limit was 25 mph and i was doin 35-45 mph. So I was still flyin by the semi trucks on that curvy road. NOW my little 4 banger seems to run even stronger that it ever has before. So I guess the the oil's claim to micro-polish my parts and clean them too is allllll true! I love this oil.
USE ROYAL PURPLE!

[gold2200flex]

OH by the way. I did a reasearch on AL's Header. All I found was this info and these pics in some other forum somewhere.

Al's Header and Fabrication
Dept. MT
2831 Whitestar, Ste, F
Anahiem, CA 92806
(714)630-1833
I havn't called the # yet to see if it is still the same. I will call when I get the $ for one. I heard they work good. They def. look good from the pics.

[sdime03]

From what i have heard they dont make the headers anymore but my info might be wrong though....about the oil i simply dont have the 60 bucks a oil change for that i use syntec blend I love it..other then the trucks first oil change that's all mine has had...the most i have went on it was 5k miles i normally change it at 3 but sometime money has its limits lol...I'm a full time college student so it's hard to get $...but i have modded my truck cheaper then most......From what i have heard some S/C's drive off of the timing chain...NO i would most certainly not do that the 2.2's biggest down fall is that I've heard many of 2.2's going around with the dreaded TICK i changed mine when i first noticed it to make sure nothing bad happens....Honestly there's not much of a gain with the S/C since barometric pressure is 7 psi...It will help make more power but it's not a "TRUE" supercharger since it runs at 6psi....If i got that I'd go ahead and and BUILD the 2.2 and put a smaller pulley on it to reach a higher psi.....a turbo is actually better since it runs off of the exhaust and not off of a belt and the pressure gets higher at every rpm...a supercharger has its most power potential at high rpm's...thats just my $.02

[gold2200flex]

I agree with that. The turbo does have way more potential. Especially if you have the $. I don't like normal superchargers at all because in order for me to feel that they are actually there.... I would have to keep the rpms up waaay high. Somewhere around like 5000 or so lol. Not useful for the daily driver who wants to save gas or tow. They are grrrreat for the racers who race for hours and hours and hours. Mainly because they run so much cooler compared to a turbo at those high rpms like that. I like the Wynjammer Supercharger though mainly because it FORCES the air into the intake even at rpms as low as 1500 rpms. Normal Superchargers have to build up to get to their boosting psi. Usually reaching it at around that 5000 rpm range. They tend to do more of a "blowing" effect too instead of a "forced" effect. I have seen that some of the newer more expensive superchargers and turbo chargers are starting to change the desighnes of their induction system to cause them to do more of the forcing effect. However the wynjammer is at around a fraction of the cost and still reaches it's boost at a much lower rpm range. On the attachment I presented in one of my earlier threads you can see that the dyno tested engine's torque increased from around 25 ft lbs at 1500 rpms to about 100 ft lbs rwtq at 1500 rpms. Yes the hp was still not really noticed until around 5000 rpms though. I am after the torque most of all though. Mainly for towing and so I wont notice much of a difference when I am trying to take off with the AC on anymore. lol The Wynjammer also turns at less reps. than both the supercharger and ...yes... even the turbo. It runs so cool that a extra kit is not needed to cool the air off before it inters the intake. This kit's only flaw is that it will never be capable of super high performance. Mainly because of that FORCED induction factor. Since it is FORCED you are almost certain to blow something up if you crank it up too high. Some super internal upgrades are def. necessary if you would want to go that route. Not me though because I am more after driveability rather than blow-up ability. lol That kit also has super high quality internals compared to some other kits. Plus it has it's own lube system. That means I can run my oil in my engine for as long as I need to and not even worry about wether or not I am damaging my investment. So it is cheaper and more dependable and easier to install and easier to maintain and provides better low end torque. I like it.

[high_ohh]

where did yall get the wynjammer i went to the site and they said they dont haven any they are bringing it back next year.

[sdime03]

I dont have the wynjammer but i guess you will have to wait for it to come back out...personaly i'm gonna go turbo with a turbo kit from s10turbo.com

[high_ohh]

i was going with the turbo but i heard turbos run into more probs then a supercharger. With the supercharger it would be a constant power without many probs such as leakage

[sdime03]

true but the wynjammer runs off of the timing chain....which is one of the 2.2's weakest link and i wouldnt trust it at all unless there is a double roller available but i doubt that.....turbo also dose not have a parasitic drain since it runs off of the exhaust pressure which gives boost all around and can produce it at low rpms while a supercharger requires higher rpm's to build boost.....its a big difference and people can argue for days about this and in my opinion turbo's are better

[high_ohh]

tru i did not know that about the supercharger. how much do the turbos go for i tried teh site i cant bring it up. all together turbo kit, timers and such what is the price range ill be looking at with the 2.2?

[sdime03]

http://www.dts2.net/turbos%2D10/

try that one and they want 3K for the whole kit

[high_ohh]

i saw your s10 on your cardomain. how much did u spend and what did u do to get 170hp?

[sdime03]

I'm not sure how much exact HP i have thats just a mix of the added manufacture low and high gains the low is 175ish and the high is 205ish...but i havent spent that much i think around 800 all together....i have enough power to bark 4th on wet pavement at 50 3rd on dry ...i've beaten z71's and silverado's....i've raced a stock 2.2 manual i was at half throttle and shifting at 3000 rpm's and stayin side by side

[Sparky2263]

I hate to break it to ya', but there ain't a 2.2 out there can touch 175 hp w/o a turbo. Even if you were to take a crankshaft measure, a 2.2 just can't get there w/o a power adder.

The modified ones I've actually seen a dyno sheet on are in the 125-135 range. And they run a low to mid 16 in the 1/4.

Your 11.5 1/8 mile time is a dead giveaway. That's around an 18 flat. Assuming 3400 lbs that's 115 hp to the rear wheels.

[sdime03]

I didnt say i had 170 hp if you look you'll see that i said "I'm not sure how much exact HP i have"......and yes a 2.2 could get to 175 without a turbo or supercharger.....my truck dont weigh 3400lbs

[Sparky2263]

Okay. You also aren't as light as the 3000 lbs you claim. But, for arguments sake, let's say you are. You're still between 98 and 125 hp regardless of which formula you use. I got a couple real good ones below. That doesn't include the fact the S-series always has a better looking 1/8 than 1/4 time due to aerodynamic issues. We don't gain as much from the 1/8 on as more aerodynamic vehicles do.

Now, let's take the most gifted of those estimates and say you have 125 hp (which I seriously doubt). To obtain another 50 hp you need a 40% increase in power. Only way to get that (other than a power adder) is some gifted head work, a very sweet cam which I don't think is made and some higher compression pistons (which I also don't think are made, but who knows). Then, some injectors and a computer program to dump the fuel and allow another 2000 rpm's. You're gonna need the rpm's cause that bad boy ain't gonna make crap for hp 'til it gets wound up.

So, could a 2.2 OHV engine get 175 down on the ground? Well, yes, it could. But I ain't seen it yet. Granted, I ain't seen all there is to see out there, but I sure have seen a lot in my days.

Bottom line? The 2.2 is a utility motor. Period. It's an OHV, small cube engine that doesn't lend itself to high rpm's or high hp. To really wind up a 4 banger requires an OHC, or even better, a DOHC. I'm not trying to knock the wind out of your sails, just putting out a reality check from others who might see this and think "Hey, I can outrun a 4.3 with my 2.2!". All other things being equal, it just ain't gonna happen.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-calc-hp-et-mph.htm

http://www.eldemoniorojo.com/calculator.htm

[Joker2040]

It's not a race unless both parties are racing... hehe...

[high_ohh]

aight sparky do u think the wynjammer is any good form what u may have heard. im sure the turbo is better but...what do u think of it

[droopy89]

Why cant we all just get along, let people think what they want to think and make their own mistakes and learn from them

[Sparky2263]

I'm an N/A kinda' guy so anything I say as far as forced induction goes is knowledge only, not practical experience. Either way, a 2.2 OHV just does not lend itself to making a bunch of power and I've been very clear on why.

But, if I was going to force induct that motor, it'd be a turbo. No way would I put a supercharger on something with so little torque. But, as also has been said many times over, if I was spending that kinda' money, it'd be on a different engine.

[Sparky2263]

Why cant we all just get along, let people think what they want to think and make their own mistakes and learn from them

We decided a while back that this would be an informative forum, where everyone can learn something knowing each of us has something to offer. That no one person is beyond reproach. But, when someone posts wrong info (as opposed to bad, which is subjective) it will be noted as such.

As far as squeezing 4 bangers, I've done my share. A real sweet 2.5 Chevy that had pretty amazing torque for what it was, a 2.3 Ford in a Ranger that would start ripping at about 4500 rpm's all the way up to 8 grand. But the piece de' la' resistance' would be a 1.6 Ford Escort we did in the mid 80's. Custom cam and pistons, lots of head and block prep (and I mean lots) and a big 'ol 2 barrel Weber. That thing idled at like 1500 rpm's and put out right at 2hp per cube (yes, damn near 200 crank hp). But we had to get it up to 6-7k to really start moving. That was the powerband, 7-10k rpms.

What did those builds all have in common? Lots of money for little results. Yes, for what it was, it was quick. But what do you say to the guy with the mildly modified DOHC 4, V6 or V8 that just roasted your ass and took your money? " I got 3k in my 4 banger " ?

Here's the other thing those motors had in common (except for the 2.5, I think it may still be going). Shorter service life than a larger motor putting out more power. Just gotta twist 'em so hard to make 'em fast.

Now, you wanna talk a 4 banger that was built to put down big numbers? Go get yourself an ECOTEC. Now that is a for damn sure, rootin' tootin' bad-ass 4 banger. I find myself one in a Cavalier for a good price I'll be snatching it up. I will build one of those some day.

[Maximus]

The Ecotec is one bad little engine that can't be built upon to make power.And it is a OHC engine to which you stated is different in the way it will repond to mods than a OHV engine.The Ecotecs can go past 1000hp and have done so more than a few times.

[droopy89]

Hey, doesnt an Ecotec Cavi or HHR have a Salt Flats record? I think it does but im not quite sure.

[Sparky2263]

http://maxine-log.blogspot.com/2006/08/gm-e85-bonneville-records-drop-as-corn.html

The HHR took a roll at a meager 240 mph. The Ecotec could only muster 212 mph. ;)

[droopy89]

ONLY 212?!?! I could walk faster than that. Sry, it just funny how he said it like it was nothing.

[Sparky2263]

http://www.kitcarmag.com/projectbuild/0503kc_22l_ecotec_ecocat_replica_/


http://www.kitcarmag.com/techarticles/general/142_0505_keisler_engineering_engine_transmission_m ate/

Here's a RWD Ecotec in the making.

"I would expect that sub 6-second 0-60 mph and high 12s or low 13s quarter-mile times could be achieved with the ECOCAT or a similar power-weight ratio vehicle using the Ecotec-Keisler driveline. With the supercharged engine readily available in crate form, the power tuners will liven up the engine a bit, and our transmission system will easily handle 650 hp/650 ft-lb and more."

[droopy89]

Nice, very nice

[Sparky2263]

http://cars.about.com/od/pontiac/fr/ch_06solstice.htm

And here is GM's RWD version with the 2.4 Ecotec. I'll be watching the junkyards for a total soon. ;)

[droopy89]

Thats a bad little car, especially the Mallet versionhttp://www.mallettcars.com/solstice-conversion.htm

[Sparky2263]

Stock it'll run the 1/4 in about 15.5

Not bad for a 2900 lb. car with 170 CHP.

[droopy89]

Plus, the new turbo version is coming out soon, that will be sportier than the miata, or the MX5 now

[Maximus]

The GXP is already on its way to lots.It will have a turbo charged ecotec with 260hp and 260lb-ft of torque.Now that will be one screaming little car.GM should have used that engine in the Cobalt SS.

[droopy89]

That is a good idea, but the supercharged engine does the little car good

[Maximus]

Yes it does but a 260hp/260tq engine in the Cobalt would put it up on the level of the SRT-4,WRX,and other performance compact cars.They wouldn't be able to keep enough of the Cobalts on the lot if they offered a 260hp engine.Right now everybody says it's a good little car with 205hp.But everbody would be saying its a great car if it had 260hp with a turbo charger.And with the turbo you can get in to the aftermarket to get more boost and programming to go past that 260hp up to 300 with a little tuning.And that would make for one very badd ass car.

[droopy89]

It would, if GM did that i might have to sell my Trans Am and get one of them