CR drops Toyota to 5th in reliability

[Tink]

The Toyota brand has lost its top position for iron-clad reliability, according to an influential Consumer Reports survey released Tuesday.
The survey dropped Toyota from first to fifth place - behind Honda, Acura, Scion and Subaru - in average vehicle reliability. The rankings are based on average predicted reliability for all models sold under a given brand.
Consumer Reports said it no longer recommends V6 versions of Toyota's Camry or V8 versions of its Tundra pick-up because of poor reliability.
In the past, because Toyota products have so consistently proved reliable, the magazine would assume at least average reliability for Toyota's brand new cars, without waiting for survey data from owners.
But from now on, the magazine will wait for a full year of reliability survey data to come in before it recommends a Toyota product - as it does with most other manufacturers.


Full Article:

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/autos/cr_reliability/index.htm?section=money_topstories

[87wildside]

Wow, must be those damn american workers....haha.

I'm just kidding!

[grumpy95]

Consumer Reports' rankings are based on survey responses from subscribers to the magazine and its Website. Responses included information on almost 1.3 million vehicles.

Doesn't sound like they do any actual research. They say gm and chrysler have poor ratings but the link on the bottom of page to J.D Power's ratings says buick and lexus tied for first. wtf? Sounds more like a popluarity contest.

[98'S-Dime]

yea its hard to find good information. i used to get conusmer report but its all just common sence... DONT BUY CRAP! dont go out and buy a chevy aveo to save a few bucks lol

[grumpy95]

it also states in the cr report the escalade is the 2nd worst realiable. But J.D power ranks cadilac the 2nd best....

[Hammer Head]

Which report is gettin paid by manufacturers...? 1.3+million can't all be wrong, can they (unless it comes down to gov't elections)? haha

[rat]

Funny that toyota owns/partialy owns 2 of the makes listed.

[C4Tom]

A few months ago JD Power ranked toyota 5th in new car quality. This was a ranking of how many fixes were required for a new car as reported by consumers. There were 3 American companies in the top 5!

Now... this really breaks down into this, years ago when toyota was so hot on 'quality'.... they weren't producing and selling 1/20 of what American car companies were here in the U.S. As the number of toyota's produced nears the production numbers of American cars, toyota's quality numbers are dropping significantly. These are the facts.

Think about it... if a company produces 1 million cars there will be a certain percentage of flaws, if they produce 2 million cars, by ratio that number will rise. As the foreign car companies sales climb, their quality numbers are dropping rapidly. Silly Americans.... BUY REAL AMERICAN!!!!