View Full Version : GM retakes world's leading automaker
Blazer69
10-22-07, 11:15 PM
i heard today gm retook over the number one making/selling automaker in the world......GO GM!!!!!!!
droopy89
10-22-07, 11:19 PM
finally
firefighter
10-22-07, 11:21 PM
We need to nuke the Japs again. lol
I'm kidding, seriously....... Yay GM.
See... I go back to GM and they go back to #1!!! The General is KING!!!
YAY!!! NUKE THE JAPS!!! Hell... I've been saying that for a long time now. LOL
Mikz86TA
10-23-07, 12:13 AM
Fu*k those Japs!
98'S-Dime
10-23-07, 01:04 AM
LOL Tommy man u crazy. General = #1 yay!
firefighter
10-23-07, 08:44 AM
If we are gonna nuke somebody it should be the middle east. but now that we are offending all kinds of people. I'll just say.
The Gen should be called king.
brooksstls
10-23-07, 09:24 AM
I'll beleive it when I see it. I have not heard that news yet, and it's hard to beleive.
firefighter
10-23-07, 09:50 AM
read this.............
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56411
brooksstls
10-23-07, 10:03 AM
Wow....wonder how long that will last. Most people know that Toyota makes a great car....Honda too. And the domestics have fell short since about the 80's. Good to see ol' GM trying to make a comeback though.
boxcarracer963
10-23-07, 11:01 AM
i didnt know they sold gm in china, glad to hear america is still doing it big and not just japan
Wow....wonder how long that will last. Most people know that Toyota makes a great car....Honda too. And the domestics have fell short since about the 80's. Good to see ol' GM trying to make a comeback though.
WTF??? Are you a parrot for the toyota tv commercials? Are you not reading all types of reports lately about the big drop in 'toyota quality' of late? Man... I hate it when people get their intelligence from TV... it's a shame. DO SOME READING, it'll do you some good!
I won't even get on the subject of ho-humda(honda) meh... automaker or kid pleaser?? You decide.
Yea, China finally allow minimal amounts of "American made" automobiles into the country. China has banned most imports from America for years. It's called a trade deficit and America has one with almost every country in the world now!
What most of you do not realize and weren't taught in school, is that after WWII, the United States negotiated with countries around the world to allow japanese companies to produce and export free of tariffs(or reduced) so that japan could recover from the war faster. After japan recovered, the US started placing tariffs on japanese imports once again. A decade or so ago, toyota and other japanese automakers, to beat the tariff, started building factories in the US(which payed about 1/2 the wage of American companies). They shipped the japanese made parts(at a much reduced tariff) to the factories to be assembled, then called them American Made. They duped uninformed Americans into believing that they were. Listen to all the jap car fans parrot TV commercials... not the facts! Listen to the ricers go at it with the intellect of a 10 year old bragging about his bug collection.
Let see: reduce the wage of American workers, lessen the manufacturing base in America, tell Americans that the country should become more tech oriented (then move the tech jobs overseas)... does anyone else see a problem with the future of America???
Hey, I'm older, I don't care too much about the far future of this country... but you people in your 20's and parents in your 30's... it's you and your kids future... perhaps you really should care about it and take the appropriate action to invest in your own country. The global economy doesn't better your life, it improves those of third world countries while lowering your standard of living.
WAKE UP!!!
firefighter
10-23-07, 12:23 PM
Preach on Tom!!!!!!! Take it to the MOUNTAIN!!!!!!! I am with you my brother. I've been preaching many of the same things for years and also think and say the the media, who spends more time bashing their own country is really the problem here.
1) News 90% BS
2) sale and marketing 100% BS
3) the average uniformed American loses out.
The REAL problem it is almost impossible to not buy Jap and or imported products.
Mikz86TA
10-23-07, 12:26 PM
First off, I can go into details about how the Tundra commercials are a hoax with their stunts. It doesnt take a genius to see past the BS with their little tricks in making it seem like they are overcoming difficult feats. Its just that there are a wide number of morons who buy into it without thinking logically. You see them every day...driving their Tundras around, proud to be killing our economy. I think we should be able to revoke their American citizenship. But thats my opinion. Nissan has a new commercial for the Titan which is BS. Again, I can go into detail on that logic...or lack of. For the record....Honda doesnt make Trucks! The El Camino was as much a Truck as the Ridgeline. Honda makes reliable motors...but how hard is it to make a in-line 4 cylinder 98HP motor reliable. I can get that out of a 750cc motorcycle. Ive worked on the inner areas of the Honda. Its not a over-engineered and well built car. Cheap thin pre-rusty metal behind the dash. Hyundai is just as well built. If you want a well built 'behind the faccad' foregin car, get a German made vehicle. While they can be a PITA to work on, the engeneering is second to none. To be quite honest, the GTO is GMs best engineered vehicle. Its roots are from Holden, a Austrailian GM brand. Their inside behind the faccad reminds me of a BMW-ish engeneering. Venting Done...for now. If you want more just push my buttons again with the Toyota makes a better car crap. I got plenty of words to fill a page. BUY AMERICAN built by Americans and Canadians.
firefighter
10-23-07, 12:43 PM
Oh CANADA!!!!!!! It kinda kills me that the wifes Impala SS is a Canuk but hell she ain't the first Canadian I rode the hell out of. lol
The Imp not the wife.lol
boxcarracer963
10-23-07, 12:45 PM
Amen to that
I just get fired up about ignorant people ranting as if God himself handed them the words to say. toyota, honda, mitsu, hyundai and nissans are turds with a fake rep a mile long generated by child-minded insignificant people... not mechanics, not engineers. If these lemming retards would just investigate things before spewing their baseless rhetoric on the virtues of japanese cars, we wouldn't even have a japanese car market in the US.
/rant
The answer is simple, if people stop buying imports, US automakers can start buying US parts again. It was simple business sense, save money so you don't fold the company. Now foreign car fans are using that against US automakers.
/rant
bespurcell
10-23-07, 06:28 PM
As a proud member of IBEW Local 1141 I am glad to learn how well informed some members of this forum are. Union pride. Buy American
12sws27
10-23-07, 07:42 PM
my sister had a 00 honda accord v6 she bought in 02 with 50k r so miles on it . 3months l8tr the tranny went out. and i hear thats common.oh and while nukin the japs send a few 2 germany, down with the euro trash!
87wildside
10-23-07, 07:52 PM
I would like to get back to nuking countries. I'll start.
North Korea
Miidle East
Japan (again)Feel free to add
:p
firefighter
10-23-07, 08:09 PM
One mustn't forget the FRENCH!
12sws27
10-23-07, 08:21 PM
x2 on the french
brooksstls
10-23-07, 08:27 PM
I'm no import preacher but I was a technician for Toyota.....a union technician. And I was a salesman for Honda. But after I became a bodyman and really looked at how the cars were put together it was clear that most of the imports were built better and the fit and finish was much nicer. I definitely know about Toyota crapping out lately though.....They started a campaign to push out more cars and produce less quality....pretty much like GM has done in years past. GM has tried the quantity not quality route and it hurt them. I love domestics but since I worked for import companies also I can see how people would want to buy an import......You used to get more car for your money with the imports, but it's changing nowadays. Obviously I would like to keep the money here in the states, but they keep moving the domestics overseas, giving foreigners jobs and keeping our average Joe's from getting a good union job in an automotive assembly plant.
Mikz86TA
10-23-07, 08:28 PM
Oy! Im French! Hehehehehe My family name is French origin. Somehow tho my ancestors came over on a German boat lift.....not sure how that one worked out. But my family on my faters side were hard working farmers in North Alabama. Some worked in industry and unions too. But one thing is for sure, they all were prideful in being Americans and were a vital part of the US growth and econimic development. If I were not to stand for what they worked hard for and just turn the other cheek to the degrading pride of America, then I should just die and revoke my citizenship to this great country.
Blazer69
10-23-07, 09:05 PM
the french only like us when they want our help...lol
brooksstls... I don't get you. You are pushing the jap agenda, no matter how to try to explain your way around it, you're still telling us you think jap is better even though you try to explain how domestics are finally getting better. So when did GM go with mass production and order their employees to build-in less quality? Do you understand about the steel quality issues from the imports? Do you see the jap trash in the junkyards looking like they are 20 years older than the American vehicles in there? How about ratio quality margins... parts per million? You understand ratios, right? I suppose next you'll start beating down the people in the US working at jap auto plants (I already do, but that's another thing). Aren't you going to start saying that the jap quality issue is because Americans are building your sweet little jap turds??? Damn... just say what you mean.
Wake the hell up and smell the coffee!! You sold ****, you built ****... What imperical data do you use for your comparision between the import and domestics? Let's see... you were a bodyman, then quit to get into HVAC, you sold hondas, you were a union toyota technician (isn't that the politically correct term for a line worker??). How old are you? Wow... busy man aren't you.
/rant
Blazer69
10-23-07, 09:11 PM
yeah quit hating.....
firefighter
10-23-07, 10:07 PM
Oy! Im French! Hehehehehe My family name is French origin. Somehow tho my ancestors came over on a German boat lift.....not sure how that one worked out. But my family on my faters side were hard working farmers in North Alabama. Some worked in industry and unions too. But one thing is for sure, they all were prideful in being Americans and were a vital part of the US growth and econimic development. If I were not to stand for what they worked hard for and just turn the other cheek to the degrading pride of America, then I should just die and revoke my citizenship to this great country.
I hate to admit it but I think about 100 yrs back I got some frenchie in me on one side and on the other about 100 yrs back I got some ruskie in me. lol
I'm a mess but up front and what counts I am AMERICAN (so says the 25' flagpole in front of my house) of Dominican/German decent. didn't I tell you I was a mess? LOL
brooksstls
10-24-07, 01:27 AM
Wow C4....you alright? It's just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion. Sorry to get you so bent out of shape. And yes.....I am a busy guy.
Mikz86TA
10-24-07, 01:36 AM
I got some Spainard in me too. But all in all I am 100% Pure Whitey American.
brooksstls
10-24-07, 01:50 AM
Did'nt Chevrolet originate from overseas? I know Louis Chevrolet was from Switzerland and his partner Will Durant was from France. I'm not positive about Durant, but I think I remember that from somewhere. So technically Chevrolet was once an import? I think Chevrolet was supposed to compete with Ford originally.
Simple minded fool! Louis Chevrolet (at least you finally used Google) didn't send his money back to his birth country, he reinvested it in his new country. toyota isn't investing in America, it's vacuuming it's profits off the American economy!! Stop trying to slap Americans around! You and your type are the largest part of what's wrong with America today and you are so ignorant and blind to it, it's scary. Your opinion, cited in an attempt to sound worldly and educated was erroneous. Spouting your exaggerated credentials wasn't just stating your opinion, you were trying to sound believable. Then stepping back and acting like you were attacked for doing nothing is typical for you and your ricer boy mentality. You were called out... take it like a man!
Yes, ignorant fools spewing lies really pisses me off. If you want to state your opinion, fine, don't add bull**** credentials to back it up. It would have been a shame for you to have your say with no one questioning your statements, that's how your lies were perpetuated in the first place.
Go ahead, take another punk ass jab, but you will never make a liar out of me over this issue. I'm done with this... unless you want to make an attempt to one-up me again.
Hey Mikz... you got french in you, spaniard in you and a couple of others?? Do you happen to use AXE cologne? LOL :D
firefighter
10-24-07, 09:05 AM
damn this place is getting crazy we even have threads crossing over into eachother. LOL
http://www.s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9716
brooksstls
10-24-07, 09:19 AM
Uh C4 I'm not trying to 1 up you. And when did anyone "spew" lies? Like I said.....it was just my opinion.........just stuff I noticed while working in the automotive industry for a long time. And nobody "slapped" Americans around. I said I wold rather see Americans have the jobs that the domestic companies are sending to Mexico and Canada. And what's with the "ricer" comment? I've never even owned a "ricer". Unless I'm wrong about what a "ricer" is. I thought a ricer was one of those kids in the 150hp, so called race car with a bunch of wings, stickers, chrome muffler etc. The only reason I ever owned an import car is because I wanted something reliable for my wife to drive around in with the kids and I wanted a decent resale value when we were done with the car. Resale value on most of the domestic companies is horrible....so I went a different route with my purchase. And I never acted "attacked".....I just thought you were getting all worked up awfully easily. Sorry man....I'm really not a bad guy I promise.
brooksstls
10-24-07, 10:44 AM
Oh yeah....I was'nt trying to sound "worldly". I could care less about being worldly. And my "credentials" were not exaggerated. The only thing I see exaggerated is your internet muscles and your inability to try and see from someone else's point of view. And I never tried to imply that you lied.....I can definitely appreciate your views and opinions. You are absolutely right on some points, but just because I bought an import after comparing it to the competition in it's class does'nt mean I'm anti- American. I've just never been wealthy so I have to be good with my money and make an educated buy, and the one I chose fit my family needs and wants perfectly, and when I was done with it.....it actually still had some value. That would not have happened if I would have bought a Chevy Trailblazer or something similar to that. Personally I drive older vehicles, with a small block Chevrolet usually and I used my 455 Olds in a few cars.......I love American muscle, but I had to put the wife and kids in something a little different. I guess if I could afford a new Suburban I would have gone that route, but they're like 45 thousand. That's a lot for a vehicle.
firefighter
10-24-07, 11:59 AM
Not really trying to get into this but what did you buy instead of a Suburban?
boxcarracer963
10-24-07, 12:18 PM
and louis chevrolet was born in switzerland but moved to america before he started chevy and william durant was born in boston, so it was an import?
You just can't make a statement without beating on American vehicles and praising japanese made. That really disgusts me! I file all jap cars under the 'ricer' nomenclature, not saying you are a punk kid with R stickers that give you 500 hp.
-I spent 15 years directly in American car manufacturing, what's a long time to you?
-I've personally built 2 different American made drag cars.
-I started working on cars with my mechanic dad back in 1972.
-I actually owned 1 honda in my youth, which was 1 too many and where I learned from my mistake.
Go ahead tell us, what is a toyota technician?
By "lies", I mean:
Most people know that Toyota makes a great car....Honda too. And the domestics have fell short since about the 80's
Commercials/marketing have been the driving force behind the jap built car quality statements. NOT imperical data! Do you truly know ANY jap car that is/was abused like American cars are abused? 250,000 mile American cars that didn't get the oil changed for 10k - 20k miles or more??? Try getting a jap car to reach 100k without changing the oil religiously at 3k! The jap cars are babied and treated very well by their owners and you know it, the ones that aren't, quickly find a place in the boneyard.
it was clear that most of the imports were built better and the fit and finish was much nicer
You stated you were a bodyman before this statement to give yourself credibility. I know several bodymen, my brother-in-law for one, that say nothing like what you said. They tell me of the cheap flimsy panels that push in with 1 finger. Rusting undercarriages... etc etc. A friend that use to work at a toyota dealership that told me how the brand new vehicles came off the trailer and were quietly sent into the mechanics to set everything straight before they reached the sales lot all through the 80s and 90s. How is that perfection?
The only reason I ever owned an import car is because I wanted something reliable for my wife to drive around in with the kids and I wanted a decent resale value when we were done with the car.
You should know that resale values are relative to the market. If you have the uninformed, such as yourself, out telling the world how great the jap cars are and how horrible American made vehicles are, don't you think it affects the market? Can't you wake up from your stupor and see what you are doing to your own country? But I suppose people like you are in it for yourself only, screw your neighbor, right?
I wold rather see Americans have the jobs that the domestic companies are sending to Mexico and Canada
And why do you think domestic manufacturers HAVE to send jobs out of the US?? Hello... Mr. Obvious!!!
I don't believe you are a bad guy, just ill informed. I don't think you truly researched the claims before you sold out America and other Americans buy purchasing a jap car. Like I said before, I just think you are one of the ignorant lemmings purporting the jap car marketing lies. I am willing to bet you even think NASCAR is better for adding toyota!!
As for flexing my 'internet muscles', not sure what you mean by that. I can see logic, but not in what you say. I see opinions garnered from ignorance and passed off as educated statements. Go ahead continue on your path of world market beliefs, your children are the ones to suffer. If your children makes a mistake you don't disown them and take over someone elses kids, you correct your child and hope they learn from your teaching. Why can't you see logic in that? I use that analogy because there is a lot at stake here with domestic products. A world market does not create a better life for Americans, it lowers Americans to the standards of the rest of the world. A world market is socialism on a grand scale.
Post again if you will, but I am done with this thread...
May God bless America and May God bless the General!!!
boxcarracer963
10-24-07, 01:17 PM
Amen to that
brooksstls
10-24-07, 05:22 PM
Still.....no lies. Just your disagreement.
firefighter
10-24-07, 07:42 PM
When I bought my wifes Impala SS back in '04 her parents (who btw are idiot hippie morons who don't even know how to jump start a car) were very displeased. They proceded to tell me a former Chevy technician who happens to have never owned anything but Chevy's that "well you know what they say about American Cars"......... I said "No what do they say?".......... "Well they are not very good"....... To which I said "Who is they?".......... To which they replied "You know the word on the street"......... To which I said "The word on the street? You don't even know how to f**kin cross it! Never mind what the H*LL they say on it!".......... needless to say after that we don't talk very much any more. I hate those f**kin communist bastages.
Can you get any more AMERICAN that that? :D
firefighter
10-24-07, 07:42 PM
Oh and BTW they only buy TOYOTA's.
brooksstls
10-24-07, 07:54 PM
I have'nt looked into it, or even asked....But I've heard that Toyota has been having a ton of recalls in the last few years, especially.
firefighter
10-24-07, 08:04 PM
Have you noticed that they are doing major rebates? To save their azz like GM did a few years back.
Oh and how everyone thought GM was gonna go out of business they seem to forget just how frigging huge GM is like 15-20 companies and 10-12 of them are auto mfg. I was never even close. The money GM lost was like me losing a few grand it hurt but I would be NO WHERE CLOSE to living on the street.
Blazer69
10-24-07, 10:25 PM
look up the cam recalls on the new tundras....cams breaking under loads? nice built trucks huh?
firefighter
10-24-07, 10:29 PM
I thought they didn't build trucks, they redesigned the truck. lol
boxcarracer963
10-24-07, 11:44 PM
they tried
brooksstls
10-25-07, 09:56 AM
I never liked the Tundra. They have that bouncy ride like the 4 Runners do, but worse.
Well, I've pretty much stayed out of this thread since C4Tom has covered the bases of how I feel too...
But, since someon brought up the trucks, here is one for you:
Chevrolet, the offical truck of Toyota?
http://jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/09/Toyota_Racing_Silverado_1.jpg
It's moments like these that you know Toyota wishes it had a heavy-duty version of the Tundra. While the currently-available versions are capable of rescuing shipping containers in distress, and can make like the Millenium Falcon escaping from a giant space slug, they cannot haul the transporter that carries the Tundra race trucks. As our friends at Jalopnik show, at the Texas State Fair, that task is left to the maximum-cojones of a Chevy Silverado 3500 HD. Oh, what a feeling... of humiliation.
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/09/medium_1449121580_06fbcff622_o.jpg
boxcarracer963
10-25-07, 12:11 PM
lol thats funny
Mikz86TA
10-25-07, 01:04 PM
Thats awesome!!!! True tho. I hate it when they play the commercial with the burly-voiced guy " Now thats a truck son ". Idiots have no idea what a truck is! Show me your Toyota carrying a trailer (bigger tthan one to fit a lawnmower), being used as a tow truck (wrecker), being in emergency services (ambulance, fire rescue), contractor work, etc! Then we can start calling it a truck.
bespurcell
10-25-07, 07:31 PM
This is my favorite thread.
Blazer69
10-25-07, 08:43 PM
they will never make it to the forefront of anything resembling a working man's truck.....american trucks can haul their weight and then some.....stupid japs
As a proud member of IBEW Local 1141 I am glad to learn how well informed some members of this forum are. Union pride. Buy Americanamen, im the vice president of the IBEW local 429.I wouldnt be caught dead owning a japanese car or truck,let alone all these korean piles of ****.
bespurcell
10-29-07, 08:37 PM
amen, im the vice president of the IBEW local 429.I wouldnt be caught dead owning a japanese car or truck,let alone all these korean piles of ****.
It's good to know there are fellow sparkies on this forum.
Mikz86TA
10-30-07, 01:55 AM
What!! No Kia-pet for you?
Slacker1357
10-30-07, 01:03 PM
*General*- I am renouncing my position of president, and opening a fast food chain of restaraunts. "Generals Fried Chicken"
chevybrat
10-30-07, 02:50 PM
Chevrolet, the offical truck of Toyota?
http://jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/09/Toyota_Racing_Silverado_1.jpg
http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/09/medium_1449121580_06fbcff622_o.jpg
hahahaha that is so awesome! :cool:
haha i work at a GM dealership and we always get toyota or mazda drivers who come in and ask what do you have that is more powerfull then this and can i trade this is. GM has Deff. set a high bar for others to compete with.
Grimm Noma
11-19-07, 08:39 PM
i will say that Toyota is still making a better car then any of the "american" car companies. I would buy a Silverado but I actually want to have POWER and fuel enconomy. When Chevy, Ford or Dodge put a six speed tranny in a 1/2 ton truck I will believe they are serious about giving you a real work/ play truck. I also want to know why the american trucks have floating calipers and little tiny brake rotors, while the jap Tundra has a four piston 13.9 inch brake rotor.
I am not a die hard Toyota fan, but I have driven all the 1/2 ton trucks on the market and in terms of moving cargo Toyota has them beat. What is this with Ford comming out and saying that the F-150 can tow 11,000 lbs, a day after Toyota says the Tundra can tow 11,800 lbs? My challenge to Ford is Prove It!
Plain and simple when you spend the money you make off selling vehicles to improve them instead of padding your pockets then you will have my respect.
btw toyota tundra was designed by americans and built buy americans and guess what Toyota cares about the employees what about GM?
boxcarracer963
11-19-07, 08:47 PM
i wouldnt of said that if i were u.. lol wait till tom rings in:D
Slacker1357
11-19-07, 08:52 PM
Hey... How about the Ford that made it up the hill for hunting and the tundra that didnt? both had similar tires....
hmm....
Tundras are only becoming better now and have alot to prove in order to make up for the crap they've been rolling out for awhile now. They had some for test drives at the Erie County Fair (Americas Fair). I wasn't too impressed. the course I went through, I could have put my blaZeR2 through
bespurcell
11-19-07, 08:54 PM
i wouldnt of said that if i were u.. lol wait till tom rings in:D
X2
Man I want to reply to the retarded filth that idiot is belching, but he and his ignorance aren't worth it. Besides, I'm too tired. Grimm... go back to your 10 year old chat forums maybe they will believe you.
plant.one
11-20-07, 01:18 AM
We need to nuke the Japs again. lol.
'Yes sir, drop that F***er. Twice' :P
boxcarracer963
11-20-07, 01:30 AM
lol yeah there gettin too out of hand
You want to buy a truck a use it to tow when camshaft failures have been reported?? I don't care how much it claims to be able to tow, grenading a motor is expensive....!
So far only 20 actual failures have been reported in which the camshaft has actually snapped in half, but those are very expensive failures. Given some of the problems that Toyota has suffered recently with engine sludge and other quality shortcomings, it looks like it is seriously considering a quick recall of the trucks to replace the engines.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/31/tundra-camshaft-woes-could-lead-to-recall-for-toyota/
Shoot, in January 2007 they recalled them for potential steering problems and in August 2006 the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration investigated suspension failures.
No thanks, I'll take my Chevy for towing even if the rating is less and me, my cargo and my truck will make it safely home for years to come. I've got over 100K on my towing vehicle now (2002 Silverado) and she still does the job great.
87wildside
11-20-07, 07:26 AM
btw toyota tundra was designed by americans and built buy americans And all the profits go back to Japan, soon they will have enough money to just buy our whole country.
Okay, I'm a little more awake now. Grimm I see your game, you do not even believe what you wrote. A child can read that and see that it was you trying to stir up a new conversation. You hit on every talking point that would invoke anger in any true American. I won't debate you over your filthy trash talk because to you it would give you credibility, which you do not deserve. STFU you ignorant trash... find a forum somewhere that understands your uneducated prose.
87wildside
11-20-07, 10:58 AM
LMFAO.
boxcarracer963
11-20-07, 11:03 AM
LOL thats what i was expecting to hear
Grimm Noma
11-20-07, 01:30 PM
I am not saying that GM isn't a good car company, I just wish they would put some of that money they make into the Silverado. All I ask is put a six speed tranny into it. Why do I have to buy a Escalade or a HD Chevy to get a six speed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pavXEwCJow
firefighter
11-20-07, 07:20 PM
Just so you know the 6-speed is new about 2 years and they are in the process of integrating the 6 into all cars by 2010 most GM auto will be the A6.
grimm is seriously mentally challenged
STFUx2
woody6725
11-26-07, 03:23 PM
lol we don't need to nuke them. just send them some ginsu knives for Christmas!
http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/23/big-in-japan-why-japan-leads-the-world-in-suicide/
Mikz86TA
11-27-07, 02:01 AM
Whew, I missed alot of this one in recent days.
X2, the profits are not Pro-America. So get outta here with that BS!
Next, does Toyota have a real work truck? Hmm, I think not. The market for half-ton general use trucks is greater than the demand for a bigger HD truck, but Japan doesnt even come close. Sure, they want you to believe with their smoke-n-mirrors ads (which I can prove every one as BS if you need me to) are this bad-a$$ truck that can be used in all sorts of HD areas. But there are no 3/4 ot 1-ton Toyotas and no Dually Toyotas. Those are true work trucks. Advanced braking systems and Hydraboost on the HD trucks make the DP calipers weak in comparison to be honest. Ask Jason just how much a Hydraboost improves the braking power of the std basic GM Metric disc that the lil S-series has. Tranny speeds.....well, economy is that focus. My dad has a Mountaineerr with a 5 speed auto tranny. He hates it. It shifts so fast and so many times, its not even comfortable to drive. There is only so far you can go with overdrive ratios. The 'ol 700R4 is capable at starting at a low gear and proviving a economical overdrive ratio in 4 speeds forward. So whats the big deal? Performance? Well, most drag racers use a 3 speed auto for best results and some a 2 speed Powerglide. Autocross racers love a 4 speed or 5 speed auto with a close-ratio. The only use for a 6 speed in apps is a small economy boost which doest help overall performance feel and high-speed driving. So where do you need to go 150+ MPH in a truck?
Rant Over * Im Drunk but not ignorant
haha just sets the whole world strait
Everfalling
11-29-07, 12:50 PM
I'd just like to pat tom on the back for using the word PROSE in a post.....god I love ya man.....it's nice to know someone has vocabulary....lol and I honestly think prose is what made that post the best post I've seen in awhile
holsinger17
11-29-07, 08:36 PM
i will say that Toyota is still making a better car then any of the "american" car companies. I would buy a Silverado but I actually want to have POWER and fuel enconomy. When Chevy, Ford or Dodge put a six speed tranny in a 1/2 ton truck I will believe they are serious about giving you a real work/ play truck. I also want to know why the american trucks have floating calipers and little tiny brake rotors, while the jap Tundra has a four piston 13.9 inch brake rotor.
I am not a die hard Toyota fan, but I have driven all the 1/2 ton trucks on the market and in terms of moving cargo Toyota has them beat. What is this with Ford comming out and saying that the F-150 can tow 11,000 lbs, a day after Toyota says the Tundra can tow 11,800 lbs? My challenge to Ford is Prove It!
Plain and simple when you spend the money you make off selling vehicles to improve them instead of padding your pockets then you will have my respect.
btw toyota tundra was designed by americans and built buy americans and guess what Toyota cares about the employees what about GM?
about a month after the new 6 speed 300+ tundra was launched there was an independent test taken..
it took two tundras. two chevy hds and two f250's
the ford and the chevy trucks outperformed those crappy tundra's in towing-payload capacity-fuel economy and oh the tundra had more cupholders....haha take your i'll gotten ridiculous opinion and shove it somewhere where the sun doesnt shine....and the towing capacities that are quoted are more than unreallistic-there are no goverment required tests to prove towing capacity chevy could have said the s10 could pull up to 15000 lbs and not be called on it ....
holsinger17
11-29-07, 08:40 PM
And all the profits go back to Japan, soon they will have enough money to just buy our whole country.
wasn't toyotas first v8 the sbc????
lets make things strait.......GM is #1 no on compares end of story
csl2006
12-02-07, 04:01 AM
Nukin' the japs wont solve anything it will only start ww3. Plus hondas, and yotas are over rated. Two buddies of mine bought toyotas and they said they were junk. My buddy has a 03 6.0 2500HD silverado and that thing is one bad truck. In my opion no jap or foreign car will outperform a american muscle car or truck. They ricers in my town have seen in and out what my camaro could owe on them. Raced them with turbos, nitrous the whole deal and i was running a Bare 350 Built engine and stomped all over them. Trucks on other other hand like the tundra and mitishubshi are junk. Although tundra is made in america are the parts really made in america? < that was a question lol
northcoastrides
12-24-07, 04:16 PM
I love this thread, the only thing more heated than political discussion is vehicle preference and or loyality...I have been a GM loyalist my entire life I'm not going to say GM is the best I just prefer to work on GM over any other make and since I prefer to work on my own rather than pay someone to do what I can do. The general has had it's faults but it's coming around. The way the co. was structured back before the turn of the century worked for a long time but the economy is totally different now you can't get away with making what you want and telling the buying public it is what they want, we are too well informed now,those fat bastards sitting on the top collecting huge saleries and telling the engineers how to build cars are the one's who damn near ruined the company, they tell the sub companies how much GM is going to pay for their product even if it cost the sub more to manufacture it they are stuck with GM's price or lose the contract so they have to cut cost somewhere and the end product is cheaper to accomidate GM's price this is why we the working public have to deal with part failure. They have to sell new cars so they can't have us loving our rides so much we won't buy new and they don't want our rides to last too long either...what we need now is some old drag racing gearhead to make it up the ladder to the corporate seats then maybe we will have someone who cares what we want and need...............
Blazer69
12-24-07, 04:34 PM
gm rocks....end of story........the zr-1 makes it so apparent.....
'94 Benson
01-13-08, 05:09 PM
My mother has a 2004 Monte Carlo SS and she was stopping for a bus when she was hit in the rear at 55 mph by a newer toyota car. The toyota was totaled, bumper smashed, hood crumpled and engine destroyed, it had lifted the monte carlo into the air and into the car in front of her. The monte carlo had ended up with a few scratches in the front and back bumper and no damage to the frame or anything and was drivable. So all in all the in a crash the Chevy will beat the Toyota every time.:usa2: :usa:
i work too dam much to be currently informed in corperate politics or buisness decitions. but i've loved general motors ever since i was a kid and since im a mechanic i get to look at all kinds of vehicals where performance a quality really counts. i personally deal with the b.s. that some manufacturers pass off as quallity vehicals. i'll own and work the hell out of a chevy till the day i die, (probably the same one lol) and i wouldn't put my wife and kids in anything less.
and speaking of wrecks try rolling your flimbsy import end over end at least 8 times at 55 and walking away with few bumps and no scratchs like i did in my 96 blazer a few years ago.
i think toms right, if there were more people paying attention to what they are buying and where the money goes instead of watching the freakin tv than more of us could afford the quality of a well built american vehical. its our econmy, everyone complains about prices and low wadges, but it seems only a few get what they need to do to help it
Nickelin'Dimer
01-18-08, 01:28 PM
(Sigh) It all seemed so-much easier when automakers built cars for the country they were based (started) in.
Blazer69
01-19-08, 10:23 AM
god i hate toyota's.....the more i see them on the road the more i feel people in this country are being duped into buying pieces of sh!t..............
Nickelin'Dimer
01-23-08, 09:31 PM
I think it's a matter of this: Which is more important to you? The country in which the car is being assembled, or the country of the company that badge's the car? If you pick the former it means you wish to support the economy of that country by way of it's workers. If you pick the latter, it means you support the company, and that's it. I feel it's better to support the people, perferably those of the one you live in. As for the whole El Camino/Ridgeline thing, there is no comparison. The Elky was built to compete with the Ford Ranchero and used existing arcitecture to make it. It may have had a triangulated 4-link rear (Compared to Ford's use of leaf spring), but it still had a traditional drivetrain layout (Unlike Ridgeline's twisted 'train, like found under a Evo or AWD Eagle Talon or 3000GT VR-4), and it's frame design proved strong enough to be used under the S-dime in both 2WD & 4WD configurations (After a leaf-spring revision to up the load capacity to 1/2-ton, of course). It may not be a known truck design dervived frame, but at least it proved itself truck-worthy. The Ridgeline (As good as unitized construction is) doesn't even have a structure design that anyone knows has even proven itself truck-worthy. I've got two rules with SUVs & Utes, and any must have at least one of the following:
A traditional drivetrain layout, or
A frame design derived from a known truck frame design or a design proven truck worthy.
As far as I'm concerned, the Ridgeline is just a soccer-mommy truck built for women whom feel they can't handle a real truck, just like how FoMoCo pushed it's Mercury Villager minivan as a minivan that drives like a car (It should since it was just a Taurus wagon underneath with a reshaped body). The Elky proved it can be a truck if built right, by manufacturer or rodder (You know what I mean). So no comparison. Same goes with minivan design (Don't get me started...).
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